Where is Bush's REAL Flight Suspension????

[exlrrp]

Well, conservatives youve really pulled it off again--you got your little weasel elected AGAIN with the most disgraceful military record in presidential history.
Anybody want to disagree with that? The little weasel we call Commander in Chief , a pilot who ended his career suspended from flying for refusing to take his flight physical, was discharged withy NO medals at all and completely unqualified as well
I'm providing a copoy of his discharge--the one he waves around to prove how "honorable" his service was:
See that TAFMS and TAFCS?? I've heard some of his bullshitters even say these were medals--they are not. They stand for Total Accumulated Federal Military Service and Total Accumulated Federal Civilan Service. They are supposed to be totals of specific types of training days and they are supposed to be followed by a colon and a number indicating the number of credited days in that category--curiously there are none--Why not, conservatives?
No medals AT ALL after 5 years, 4 months and 5 days? Pretty chickenshit, conservatives, no wonder you have to lie a lot to cover that up.
But lets look at the more important category--qualifications. Well, goodness, they spell it right out for you N-O-N-E!! Why, doesn't that spell NONE?? Yes, I think it does spell the word NONE! Having QUALIFICATIONS : NONE on your discharge is the same as saying you were discharged COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED TO DO ANYTHING in the military, isn't it? Not pound sand nor paint rocks white!
That would mean, of course, that the weaselly little chickensht we call Commander in Chief was discharged COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED TO DO) ANYTHING IN THE MILITARY!!! And the commands our armed forces!!I'd congratulate you on your victory if it wasn't so bad for America
The most chickenshit military record of any president ever!!
Now, whats the standard lie to cover this, conservatives? Qualifications are bad liberal things? I had qualifications when I was discharged, Kerry had qualifications when discharged, Gore had qualifications when discharged. How come your little weenie boy had NO (NONE!) qualifications at all? THATS DISGRACEFUL ISN'T IT??
Our First Drunk Driver left the military as completely unqualified to do anything as the day his daddy piunned his storebought butterbars on him--a mediocre history grad with no ROTC at all and an arrest record he had toi get waived--want to see it? just ask. ( also have the paperwork for his DUI--his license was suspended FOR 2 YEARS! "Fined and released" My Ass! want to see that one too? here it is and be sure to check the fonts for me: http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/dwi-record.asp Our little weasel must have gotten a TX drivers license )
But wait a minute!! In between the time he came in completely unqualified and left completely unqualified, he was the recipient of hundreds of thousands of Taxpayer Financed flight school training--what happened to that?? Well, folks, that all went down the crapper when our little weasel refused to take his physical and got suspended forever. He could have gone back to flying ANYTIME by taking the physical but did not, preferring to lose all his qualifications and spend his remaning year plus on SUSPENDED FROM FLYING status--WHY?? And how chickenshit can you get??
Want to compare that to anything Kerry or Gore ever did?
Now help me out here, lifers: I'm assuming that he lost all his qualifications the day his CO, Jerry Killian suspended him: Aug 1st, 1972. We know that DID happen ON THAT DATE because we have 2 other Bush-posted documents for verification:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdoc...onnel_File.pdf (document 11 of 19)
Sep 5, 1972 Killian's and Bush's CO, then Col Bobby Hodges confirms and passes up Killian's orders up the chain of command. Then Major Rufus Martin signs on to it also--these peop-le are still alive. Notice the reference to para 2-29 AFM 35--13
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Sep 29, 1972: AFHQ confimation of KILLIAN'S suspension of Bush also citing Para 2-29 AFM 35-13
Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13: ?When a Rated Officer Fails To Accomplish a Medical Examination Prescribed by AFM 160-1 [emphasis added] ?(1)The local commander who has authority to convene a Flying Evaluation Board will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination. After reviewing the findings of the investigation, the local commander may convene a Flying Evaluation Board or forward through command channels a detailed report of the circumstances which resulted in the officer?s failure to accomplish a medical examination, along with a recommendation that the suspension be removed. (2) The individual?s major command will forward the report along with the command recommendation to USAFMPC/DPMAJD, Randolph AFB TX 78148 for final determination.?

So Killian DID suspend Bush on Aug 1st, 1972 for failing (i.e.) refusing) to take his physical, no doubt about it.( Why they say "failing" instead of refusing in the documents above is to match the phraseology in tha above paragraph--right, lifers?)
Nobody knows better than the lifers here that Killian delivered these orders face to face, reading the order to Bush (while Bush stood with his heels locked!) They will know for sure that tho this is referred to as Verbal Suspension, that Killian DID write a memo about this , passed it up to his superiors AND GAVE BUSH A COPY!!!.
So Bush, Hodges and MArtin indisputably saw Killian's REAL orders for BUsh's suspension, they know whats on them, the font and signature. Bush HAS to have a copy of this NOW!. WHERE ARE THOSE ORDERS AND WHAT DO THEY SAY???? Suspiciously, they are not in Bush's files--yet we know they HAD to be written.
This is the final smoking gun to Bush's career--Bush knows what the REAL ones say, there's not a lifer here that can dispute that. Think someone didn't see his own suspension order?? Is the TXANG THAT lame? Killian was supposed to be a real pro, thats why he kept the CYA memo. You lifers know he read the order to Bush and gave him a copy.
WHERE ARE THE REAL ONES AND WHAT DO THEY SAY?? And who committed the federal crime of removing them from Bush's record (best guess: Bartlett)
And why is there no federal investigation of possibly forged federal documents??
The Bush Administration has never denied these papers at all, only said that "if real (?) they show the President was working with his superiors to fulklfill his commitments" That certainly is the generous view of a flight suspension, isn't it? Its certainly not a denial.
This is where your spinners are at their most superb: You guys have gotten these papers declared false without Bush himself EVER denying they are real!!! He pretends like it happened to someone else. And without ANY federal agency investigating them!! you guys are too good, no doubt about it!
He also pretends these are : "personal documents" like Killian was maybe scrapbooking Bush memorabilia. They are not and you know it as well as me--they are FEDERAL dopcuments!
Here they are guys: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...09bushdocs.pdf
Take a look: three of them are under letterhead of a federal military unit (NOT a state unit as you lifers know well!) a commander of that federal military unit issuing lawful orders in performance of his duty as the commander of said military unit.
If these papers are forged, it is a serious federal crime and a slam dunk to prosecute--they KNOW who the "perpetrators" are yeat no investigation at all. Just like Bush's qualifications: N-O-N-E. The FBI crime lab could determine these to be foged very quickly and determine who's responsible--it is their duty to investigate forged federal documents but they and the Bush Administrations have refused to do so? Is that the Compassionate Conservatism one hears so much about but seldom sees? I doubt it.
Why? because they got everything they wanted in Bloggers Court without having any official agency look at them. They will resist any investigation of these papers
I said you guys were GOOD didn't I ( I mean GOOD at spinning and lying)
But now you have to answer the REAL question:
Where are Bush's REAL suspension orders if these are false and what do they say?
Please only base your rsponse posting from official documents like I do, anything else is Bullshit
I hjope you all will join me in demanding a full federal investigation of these ouitrageous papers and that the miscreants revealed be punished to the fullest extent of the law, whoever they may be

Thanks
James

PS: here's another official document you may enjoy looking at proving that John Kerry DID NOT--repeat: DID NOT--get a "Silver Star with V " and anybody who says he did is a liar:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...ilver_Star.pdf

[SuperScout]

Just a couple of corrections: TAFMS actually refers to the Total Active Federal Military Service, meaning one has qualified for starting the clock towards the twenty year service required for retirement purposes. TAFCS is a system used by the Air Force to determine when a commissioned officer enters active duty, and then he can become eligible for Squadron Officer School, a standard notation on all pilot's records.

And before it was removed, John Kerry's website did indeed mention that we had been awarded the "Silver Star with V device." It was only after the gales of guffaws, snickers, and disdainful belches of BULLSHIT reached the webmeisters ears that the erasures took place.

If Bartlett did remove the allegedly genuine copies of those dastardly documents as you claim, why did he resort to forgeries that he presented to ol' Danny Blather Rather? And has it ever dawned on you, or any of the other "black helicopter" crowd, that if incriminating records were removed from GWB's file, they would simply be put in a waste can, and not shredded? Bartlett hss been totally discredited as a bitter incompetent, a man who never should have made the grade of 0-3, and is still bitter that he was passed over for promotion to 0-6. He was sent on a mission to Central America as a means of affording a way for him to rehabilitate his career, and he totally screwed up a very simple task of writing an after-action report about some engineer support we had provided to the Honduran army.

As a compassionate conservative, I would urge Mr. Bartlett to obtain competent psychological counseling, while at the same time urge Mr. Worth to get a life, and stop waving at black helicopters.

Brice H. Barnes
Scouts Out!!

[MORTARDUDE]

Geez James....

Good to have you back but we are stuck with this moron for 4 more years. Suck it up and move on.

Larry

[Packo]

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Man James, I've never seen anyone swallow sour grapes like you. Thought you were out getting a life. Guess I was wrong. If I could put up with Clinton and his military record, or lack of, with out having a heart attack, or chronic vomiting, you can. Buck up Paratrooper, you get another shot in 4 years. Now you know how we felt.

Packo

[exlrrp]

Originally posted by SuperScout Just a couple of corrections: TAFMS actually refers to the Total Active Federal Military Service, meaning one has qualified for starting the clock towards the twenty year service required for retirement purposes. TAFCS is a system used by the Air Force to determine when a commissioned officer enters active duty, and then he can become eligible for Squadron Officer School, a standard notation on all pilot's records.

And before it was removed, John Kerry's website did indeed mention that we had been awarded the "Silver Star with V device." It was only after the gales of guffaws, snickers, and disdainful belches of BULLSHIT reached the webmeisters ears that the erasures took place.

If Bartlett did remove the allegedly genuine copies of those dastardly documents as you claim, why did he resort to forgeries that he presented to ol' Danny Blather Rather? And has it ever dawned on you, or any of the other "black helicopter" crowd, that if incriminating records were removed from GWB's file, they would simply be put in a waste can, and not shredded? Bartlett hss been totally discredited as a bitter incompetent, a man who never should have made the grade of 0-3, and is still bitter that he was passed over for promotion to 0-6. He was sent on a mission to Central America as a means of affording a way for him to rehabilitate his career, and he totally screwed up a very simple task of writing an after-action report about some engineer support we had provided to the Honduran army.

As a compassionate conservative, I would urge Mr. Bartlett to obtain competent psychological counseling, while at the same time urge Mr. Worth to get a life, and stop waving at black helicopters.

Brice H. Barnes
Scouts Out!!

Brice

Thanks for the interesting response. Thanks for your concern but I already have a life--its why I don't spend all my time here railing at enemies like you do. Unraveling Bush's tortured paperwork is just sort of a hobby of mine. It's interesting that you try and link me with "black helicopters" I really don't know what black helicopters have to do with George Bush's dismal Military record--non sequiter, you see. Did George Bush learn to fly black helicopters after he was suspended from flying jets? I doubt it. Thanks for trying to prove me wacked but the VA already beat you to it--want to see the paperwork?
Boy I sure wish you would have let all your conservative friends know about that TAFCS and TAFCS stuff--Do you know that many of them are going around claiming that George Bush got those as medals. HAHAHAHA Us military guys can sure set them straight.
Regardless of what the website said, conservatives were running around claiming John Kerry was awarded a "Silver Star with V" I saw it right here., This was said in a defintely knowitall way that implied the writer knew more about it than I did. But he didn't, he didn't have the integrity to look it up.. It does take me a while to look up this stuff, though, thats why it takes me a while to get back on this stuff sometimes. This was a definite lie meant to slander John Kerry's record, wasn't it, Brice?
And you guys don't have any more guffaws than we do when people talk about George' Bush's "honorable service."
I take it youre not going to dispute the Official record like you did with John Kerry? George BUsh ended his career as a pilot suspended from flying with no medals or qualifications AT ALL after 5 years, 4 months and 5 days of a 6 year commitment? Of course you don't want to dispute that, its all on the discharge. Whats up with that Brice? Why would a colonel like you vote for someone with such a dismal record? Even if you don't like Kerry, that record still is disgraceful. I don't mind that so much as all the lying your side did about Kerry's war record.
I also see that you don't disagree with the statement: George Bush knows exactly what his flight suspension said. Of course he does; Killian read the flight suspension to him and gave him a copy. You know it and I know it.
"If Bartlett did remove the allegedly genuine copies of those dastardly documents as you claim, why did he resort to forgeries that he presented to ol' Danny Blather Rather?"
Allegedly genuine?? Brice--look at the 2 orders I cited above, There's no "alleged" flight suspension here--this actually happened--we have the orders and Bush already admitted it. There's no "alleged"there, just like there's no black helicopters. This is history--this IS his record:ending his career as a pilot suspended from flying.
Brice you know as well as me that Killian wrote the orders, delivered them to Bush face to face, had him sign for them and gave him a copy, then passed them up to his superiors. They are the orders the 2 documents I cited above are confirming. They HAD to be written. Marian Knox testified that she wrote memos saying virtually the same thing as the ones presented. Youre not asking me to believe that George Bush didn't see his own suspension orders are you? Come on Brice, you know I was in the Army too.
So George Bush's suspension orders were definitely written by Killian and passed up the chain of command. Those orders are real and should have been in George Bush's military files. Someone removed them--I have all of Bush's documents printed out and theyre not there. The two confirmations of his suspension were there but -very curiously-not the original Killian orders for Bush suspension.
Your comments on Bartlett are very interesting, considering he's worked for George Bush so Long. I don't think Bartlett gave "Danny Blather Rather" anything but a good fcking over--I think foreknowlege of these papers gave your guys time to work out very effective spin strategies that no one ever expected!! Genius!! That had to be Rove, youre right, Bartletts a bumbler. Rove would have seen these papers years in advance, they had access to them all the time Bush was Governor of TX.
There's no doubt that Bush, Hodges, Martin, Rove and others have seen Killian's original orders that WERE written on that date. What that did was give the BUsh people a chance to come up with a lot of spin in advance--bear in mind they know what they look like, what they say, the font and signature. This gave them plenty of time to work out strategies to muddy the waters
I'm going to be posting my own counters to some of their spin strategies in a post below. Look at all the 52 allegations they have. Look at the date on it--3 days after CBS popped them on the world. Its impossible to believe that Bloggers have all these "fonts experts" sitting around in the locker room waiting to go on the field. This came out way too quick for such detailed analysis. Someone had studied those papers for a long, long time.
Look at how many of those allegations I prove completely wrong, just by the official records.
Examples:
1.Proportional spacing not generally available (no confirmation this type of technology was available at TANG)
----Yes it was, you can see a good example right here: http://www.glcq.com/docs/(71-02-19)recognition_memo.pdf
Dated over a year before the first Killian document.

21. Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. This would not be used on correspondence, but rather forms. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News)
----Bush himself uses this address in referring to Col Killian in his 2d request for transfer: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif

42. There was no CC list (needed for orders)
---There?s no CC on many of Bush?s documents. That is one of the things that make them suspicious. Obviously Bush enjoyed getting his requests approved outside the chain of command
Example: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif

See?? The spin trick is just to lay as much BS out as possible no matter how preposterous--the sheer weight of all the false allegations is preponderous and convincing. You guys really threw us on a spin here, even I was apologizing, remember?
Impressive--untill you start looking at the record and find its all BS. But it fooled a lot of people!
I might say here that NEVER have I been in a discussion where the Offical Record so thoroughly backed me up and screwed the opponent. thats why I say your spin strategies are so good. You got the world believing that Bush's flight suspension was honorable and that Kerry's Silver Star was dishonorable. That's SOME spin, Brice--you know as well as me that its the other way around, don't you?
What was really noteworthy was the way that Bush had these documents declared false without him EVER denying them yet he had OBviously seen them. But no one EVER asked him directlY--Are these your suspension orders?.
Now whats up with that, Brice? You know as well as me that Bush saw his own suspension order. Now if I confronted you with papers putting your military service in an unflattering light that you KNEW were false (or real)--you'd seen the originals--and I was broadcasting them, what would you do? Release them back to the press uncommented on like BUsh?Declare them to be my "personal documents? Not hardly!
You'd be down to the FBI and Military Criminal Investigations Divisons so fast it's make your head spin and then you'd get the best lawyers in town, get an injunction and sue the living spit out of me, especially if I'd done it to you while you were runnning for office.
That was the biggest surprise of all for me--why didn't Bush get out front about papers that he KNEW were real or false, only let other people do his fighting for him. We heard from his Mommy. We heard from Laura. We DIDN'T hear anything from his Dad.
And we didn't hear anything from Georgie either, only his people waving his "honorable discharge" around like that proves his honorable service. It doesn't, as I point out above.
Would YOU let someone else fight your battle about this? You would if you were chickenshit.
It's the discharge of someone who was discharged completely unqualified with NO medals at all after serving only 5 years 4 months and 5 days of a 6 year MSO. No wonder he didn't show up to sign it. You know better than me what this discharge indicates--the man was worthless as tits on a boar to the AirForce. you also know all that taxpayer training went down the toilet when he refused to take his physical.
And he DID refuse to take his physical , didn't he, Brice? They say "failure to accomplish medical exam" in all the confirmations--its to match the paragraph cited above, right out of the Black Helicopter manual.(lol) But he could have taken the physical at any time and its what his superiors wanted him to do but he refused to do so, preferring to take the suspension and lose all his qualifications. Think Killian didn''t explain to Bush what was going to happen?

Unfortunately this story doesn't stop here at all. George Bush wqas paid as a pilot for over a year after he was suspended from flying.
You can see this right here on his pay records, Brice and once again you'll be better at reading them than me.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...milpay-p1.html
There''s no drop in pay at all in 1972, he gets paid straight through as a pilot despite being suspended in August. Because his superiors kept him on the books as a pilot. Its all in the rcords too.
There's a 6 month gap there, Apr 16, 1972 to Oct 28th. No pay, no service. There's no orders at all to cover this gap, nothing at all.. As a matter of fact, the records get VERY murky from there because Bush's superiors--Killian and Harris--deny he was even there during this period.
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They absolutely deny that Bush was there at all in their unit from May 15th onward. Or whoever filled out the form and stamped SIGNED by their names denied it. Why didn't either of Bush's commanders sign this report like theyd signed his other 2? Think they both had the day off that day? Me neither. They didn't sign their names because the information on this report is false.
We know that because we KNOW that Bush was under their command during this period--he was suspended Aug 1st, then applied to Killian for transfer on Sep 5th (the day Hodges comfirmed the suspension, document cited above) So Bush was definitely under their command untill Sep 15th and Killian knew it. This is falsifying documents Brice and Killian knew that too--thats what the CYA document was about.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...09bushdocs.pdf
Take a look: "I will backdate but not rate" (jerry Killian) Thats exactly what ol Jer, did, didn't he Brice: backdate Bush'se xit from his unit and not rate him. Unfoprtunately that comes under th category of corruption. More on this later
What a coincidence, that forger really must have known what was going on.
I have to end this now but I'll be back
You are going to call for a fuill federal investigation of these papers with me aren't you Brice?? They are after all, federal documents and if forged, slanderous to your president.
Sure you are
James

[exlrrp]

Originally posted by MORTARDUDE Geez James....

Good to have you back but we are stuck with this moron for 4 more years. Suck it up and move on.

Larry

Larry, you are no doubt right but I'm haviing SUCH fun. Ive never been in an argument where the official record backed me up so much and screwed the other side so bad
Hope you come and see me in Oregon
James

[exlrrp]

Originally posted by Paco ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Man James, I've never seen anyone swallow sour grapes like you. Thought you were out getting a life. Guess I was wrong. If I could put up with Clinton and his military record, or lack of, with out having a heart attack, or chronic vomiting, you can. Buck up Paratrooper, you get another shot in 4 years. Now you know how we felt.

Packo

Clinton didn't flush hundreds of thousands of $$$ of taxpayers money down the toilet by being suspended from flying and then never taking his physical again. Your Suspended Pilot has the worst military record of any president ever. Clinton didn't have a military record.
There certainly wasn't any break given on complete BS being passed around about Kerry even after the election--you DID look at the link I cited proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kerry did NOT get a Silver Star with V" didn't you?
And now you say you want a break. Youre right about 4 more years no doubt. Thats 4 more years of a commander in Chief that left the military in disgrace suspended from flying and completely unqualified. I see you guys don't even dispute that any more.I guess thats a good thing for you but I'm a combat vet as you know well and I don't see it.
There'll be a break when I get tired of it or get too involved with something else
James

[SuperScout]

It was Kerry's own website, before it was scrubbed and corrected, that claimed he was awarded the Silver Star with V device. It was not some cabal of compassionate conservatives that created this bogus claim, but his own webmeister. Once it was brought to this genius' attention, the website was corrected. End of story.

RE-check all of GWB's flight records, since this is a hobby of yours, James. Count up the number of hours of flight time. Factor in the fact that what GWB flew was one of the most dangerous type of aircraft just for good measure. Then try to justify you bogus claim that he flushed hundreds of thousands of $$ that was invested in his training. The country got more than what we paid for, so stop you whining.

And in your hobby mode, check the chronology of events: how long had GWB been on Active Duty for Training, when was he scheduled to take his annual flight exam, when was he scheduled to be transitioned into another type of aircraft, how much more was this going to cost the taxpayer, when was his commitment scheduled to expire, and how many pilots were actually needed int eh '70's drawdown?

Go back and get in touch with your inner or outer self, if you can find either, and beam yourself up to that repository of facts: what Bartlett tried to pass off to CBS and also the the DNC were forgeries, and not very good ones at that. Rather's producer had been pursuing this myth that you have wrapped your arms around as gospel truth for four+ years, and it had become such an obsession with her, and with Rather for that matter, that their judgment was clouded if not completely obdurated.

I have neither time, interest, nor energy to go into all the allegations, conspiracy theories, Machiavelli trots that seem to consume your life, as frankly, it doesn't really matter, except to people so consumed by bitterness, failures, and hatred. I have something much more beneficial to which to devote my time, like caring for the tsunami victims and their relief teams, to seeking justice for the crew of the USS Liberty, operating my business, and back-washing my automatic toothbrush.

Goodby.

[Andy]

James I'm not sure what your definition is of "worst military record" for a President.

We all know that JFK was a hero for getting PT 109 sunk. Did you know that at the time no one in the navy could figure out how the hell a fast little PT boat could get cut in half by an enemy destroyer? It was thought to be a total screw up on Kennedy's part. There was a commission of officers that gathered to determine if he needed to have a Courts Marshal. Byran "Whizzer" White wrote a report clearing Kennedy of any wrong doing and with old Joe Kennedy's pull there was no black mark on JFK's record. The pay back was that Kennedy appointed White to the Supreme Court. Honestly, if GW was involved in something like that, would it have been a cover up?

LBJ joined the military during WWII. Once, just once, he flew over an enemy controlled island in a cargo plane. With his political pull he got himself put in for a Silver Star and, of course, received the decoration. Is that a discrace to all those men who actually deserved a Silver Star? Isn't it a slap in the face to those men who should have received such a decoration and got nothing. You talk about your wanna be's.

GW got an early out. I got a 3 month early out. Hell there might be other's on this site who also go out of the service early. Does that mean we did something wrong? James, did you get an early out? (I honestly don't know.)

One other point, the DUI arrest. How many people on this site could have been arrested on that charge at some point in their lives? Remember DUI is operating under the influence, could be booze or drugs. That incident was one of those, "But for the grace of God, there go I".

Wait till 2008, the Dem's will no doubt win that one and I hope that something a person did in their 20s does not take center stage.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[reconeil]

A little disappointed in you, regarding that: "Worst military record" thing. Just two words explain the worst military record EVER in American History,...both before entering office and while in office, even though now all of sudden a self-annointed Military Expert.
The two words being: "BILL CLINTON".

Which brings me to your: "Wait till 2008, The Dems will undoubtedly..." conjecture. Damn, if I ever hoped anyone was wrong about anything,...your statement goes right to the top of the list.

Hell Man we're at war and in all likelihood the very longest (if lucky) and most vicious one ever faced, since fanatical Islamic Terrorists worldwide just don't cave-in too-damn-easily. They've already had more than just ONE...100 Year Holy(?) War under their belts, and have thousands of stupid-ass martyrs dying to do their thing, whom can easily waltz right in here through either Canada or Mexico,...two of the closest and biggest Democrat Supporters (nationwise). China's much bigger. But, so far away.

So then, and if in only in a few short years America ends up again with the likes of Lover-Boy Bill Clinton and his fanatically ACLU type political clique and collegues at the helm,...we might just as well throw-in-the-towel now. That'll surely save a lot of Military Lives (not sure about Civilian Lives), and everybody will live happily ever after,...just like in all the other Democrat/Liberal/Socialist/Leftist FairyTales. We might not even have to all learn Arabic, with such good negotiators left in charge.

Neil