More Bush Lies Revealed

[exlrrp]

Well here we go again. It turns out the Bush people just found SOME MORE of his papers and here they swore there was absolutely nothing left--is that a flip flop, an extended waffle or just correcting another lie.
This information had to be sued to be gotten so we need not act like they surrendered it voluntarily
This absolutely proves the statement: "His plane was becoming obselete so he "accepted suspension" to be 100% untrue. And by being untrue, and it was the central lie his fiction is built on, the whole smoke and mirrors around his honorable service is all blow away.
Not only was that unit flying that plane his whole time, but a year afterwards.
This proves that Bush absolutely did lie about the obsolete plane thing as do his supporters. He also lied about it in wrinting in A Charge to Keep when he said he enjoyed flying with his unit for the rest of his career (p86) He lies like a rug, the official record shows he was suspended from flyin his whole last year with that unit (and the AL unit) It also raises questions again about his suspension for flying for refusing (ie:failing) to take his physical.He could have taken his physical at ANY time and gone back on flight status--what was he hiding?? what could that physical show that would be so bad?
Many Americans want to know this

We saw many people who had served with John Kerry at the Democratic Convention but we saw absolutely NONE of the people who served withGeorge Bush at his convention.
Why doesn't Bush want to talk about his service??If he's proud of it, give us all the details--and ending his career as a pilot suspended from flying is a pretty major detail to be talked about isn't it?? especially when they story that he was suspended because his plane was becoming obsolete has now been proven completely false??
What actual work did George Bush do his whole last year after he'd been suspended?? WHo did he serve with??? We know all this about Kerry, why not Bush?? Everybody I know can tell you what he did his last year of service (self:lrrp in VN, grunt in NC)
How does a pilot thats been suspended from flying his whole last year in the service, who's unit is still flying the only plane he can fly, get an honorable discharge?? What equivalent service did he do that was "equivalent" to being a pilot?
His suspension ripped off the taxpayers for half the useful life of a TANG pilot--he was suspended in mid career of a TANG pilot, he had 2 years to go when he guit flying (last flight:may72: ETS MAy 74) This was before his 8 month early out and how does a pilot who's been suspended from flying get an honorable discharge an 8 month early out?? I only got a 3 month drop--others I kjnow got a 5 mmonth drop but they got it from Vietnam. Theyt told me that was all they were giving--an 8 month early out would have gotten me into fall semester and saved me a year till graduation but NOT. And by the way: When my unit in Panama changed from the M14 to the M16 they didn't suspend me from jumping--just taught me how to use the new equipment.
This is beyond a doubt the most disgraceful military of any president ever--ending his career suspended from flying--only his spinmeiters would try and make this good
And please!! don't try to blame this on Teddy Kennedy

from http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

AP-
Months after insisting it could find no more records of President Bush's Air National Guard service, the Defense Department has released more than two dozen pages of files, including Bush's report card for flight training and dates of his flights.
The records, released under pressure of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press, show Bush ranked in the middle of his 1969 flight training class and flew 336 hours for the Texas Air National Guard, mostly in the F-102A fighter.
The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials acknowledged Tuesday they had found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after the AP sued and submitted new requests under the public records law.
"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.
"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."
Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.
A group called Texans for Truth planned to launch an ad this week in which a lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard questions Bush's absence from his National Guard service in Montgomery, Ala. The group says it plans to spend about $100,000 to run the ad.
The ad asks "Was George W. Bush AWOL in Alabama?" and implores: "Tell us whom you served with Mr. President."
In the ad, Bob Mintz claims he served at the same air base and in the same unit as Bush in 1972 but never saw Bush there. "It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," Mintz says in the ad.
Bush has said repeatedly he is proud of his Air National Guard service. As late as last week, White House spokesmen said the administration knew of no other records of Bush's military service.
"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.
Democratic National Committee communications director Jano Cabrera disagreed. "For months George Bush told the nation that all his military records were public," he said. "Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."
The newly released records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in the F-102A jet used to intercept enemy aircraft. Of the 278 hours he flew in the interceptor, about 77 hours were in the TF-102A, the two-seat trainer version of the one-seat fighter jet.
The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he had permission to go to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.
Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.
A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.
As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102A jets - the same type Bush flew before he was grounded - on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.
The records also show Bush made a grade of 88 on total airmanship and a perfect 100 for flying without navigational instruments, operating a T-38 System and studying applied aerodynamics. Other scores ranged from 89 in flight planning to 98 in aviation physiology.
The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.
? 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[SuperScout]

Ho-hum.

James, you might want to really read the article you posted, and then you'll find out that you violated copyright law. But then, I guess ultra liberals can play the cutNpaste game with what laws they want to obey.

Ho-hum.

[Gimpy]

Well James old friend, it appears there are SOME folks in Texas still interested in the TRUTH........... unlike some OTHERS around here, huh??? :cd: :cd:

Thanks for this revealing and informative post.

PS---Don't worry about that "copyright" crap............I still got lots of friends in the newspaper industry and will see to it the AP won't object to the duplication of their material for "educational" purposes!

[Arrow]

I've got one thing to say to John Kerry's fans.

I'll talk to George about talking to you in regard to his conduct in the National Guard if you can get John Kerry to go on nationwide TV admit he lied while good men diedand apologize tome personally for calling my children's Father,my brother, my three cousins, and all my friends that served honorably in Vietnam baby killers and rapist.

Ithas been told to me more than one time back channelthatsome of you combat Veterans believe you are the only ones that have the right to speak out in regard to Vietnam.All of you that are of that mindset cankey this into your Palm Pilot; I wasn't there but the men in my family were there for you.I'llshut up when John Kerry admits he lied while good men diedie when Hell freezes over.

"George Bush never called my Dad a baby killer" ~ daughter of Vietnam Vet ~

That's my Dad John Kerry lied about ~ daughter of Vietnam Vet ~

MMAJFK (MadMoms Against John Fonda Kerry)

Now the one who asked "What the Hell IsYour Problem" has his answer.

Arrow>>>>>>

[SuperScout]

Even if....
GWB did not attend all scheduled drills, and
didn't take a flight physical because he knew he wasn't going to fly anymore, and
had friends who helped him get into the Air National Guard,

..............

at least he didn't lie about my service in Vietnam, and he didn't lie about the men I had the honor of commanding or the thousands of others, and he didn't phony up any awards for himself, and he didn't consort with the enemy, and he didn't commit treason.

I can certainly understand the wailings and gnashing of teeth by the ultra leftists who want their boy in the White House, irrespective of damage that might ultimately come to this beloved country. That's why the Communist Party USA, and other radical and socialist groups have endorsed Kerry. And since Kerry has no, repeat, no legislative record to run on he has to run on bogus promises that once are symbolism over substance.

[Arrow]

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp

[Boats]

I like this discussion!!!! More More please its refreshing.

[39mto39g]

I don't care what he did in VN. Although if I had any of his medals I would be saying something about his also. I do care what he and Fonda did with North VN and with the rest of our country against our military people . Him and her are both pig piles of shit.

Ron

[reconeil]

Thanks for steering us all towards and excellent and quite detailed article, which clearly shows that America's Air National Guard should never be compared to War Protestors, those escaping to Canada rather than fight, and/or Draft Evaders in general,...even though so many Democrat Paid Hatchet-men apparently see nothing wrong with deceivingly portraying all Air National Guard People as cowardly Draft Evaders,...just to get at Bush. The Mein Party Eber Alles mentality of Democrats,...is getting downright sickening.

Still Arrow, you've got to see the absurd irony and/or truly strange double standard of it all, regarding The Press/Media in general?

According to The Press/Media, it's perfectly alright to call A Wartime President & Commander-In-Chief: "A LIAR" about most everything (even Service to Country) for months on end, thus demoralizing our Troops, Our Allies and even America as a whole,...since such is just: "Good old fashioned hardball politics". So much for: "Good old fashioned wartime patriotism"?

Whereas, the very same Press/Media (apparently main Publishers and Editers DNC Hacks also) pontificate that anything derogatory against Kerry's GREAT Service to Country in Vietnam and LITTLE: "Band of Brothers" (even though quite suspect???), and somehow believed GREAT Service To Country as A Vietnam War Protestor (despicably insulting EVERYONE ever Serving in Vietnam),...is politics and character assassinations at their dirtiest and should not be accepted, nor disclosed to The People,...even though most allegations against Kerry ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

WOW!!!,...The Press/Media in general and just like The DNC, must think that We Americans are mostly all easily manipulated and easy to deceive fools, or are all blind and can't hear. Whatever, what's "Their" Point at deceiving Americans for The Dems? Do Democrats advertise more than Rebublicans? There has to be a reason why so many of The Press/Media prefer that quite suspect of intent politicos (at best) take over and call-the-shots during wartime,...like no doubt The Arabs, French, Germans, Russians and UN would ALSO much prefer, since no doubt ALSO looking out for their best interests.

Neil

[MORTARDUDE]

Bush was a deserter and is a very piss-poor President and a liar...Kerry is a lying sack of shit. It is a free country and anyone can say anything about Vietnam anytime that they want to...

VOTE NADER !!!

Larry