Re: A PATRONIZING ASSUMPTION

"jupiterean" wrote in message news:...

So you claim to know about these two studies , Research on
Satisfaction of Vietnamese at home with their future, governance
etc... by The University of California at Irvine and the Pew
Institution and claimed that the results was a theory that does not
tally with experimental results .

So what is the experimental results You claim to have Sir ?

The laments of a tiny minorities of losers of the former VZCH or of
their Offspring who rarely had the opportunity to visit Vietnam
recently or the fabrication of human rights lobbies with a Political
Agenda to grind ?.

No thank you Sir ! I take the results of UCIrvine, Pew Institute's
research and the fact that in-spite-of your accusation/claims
hundreds of thousands of Boat People , of millions of Foreign visitors
visited Vietnam happily every year in preference to the "eye witness"
testimonies or "EXPERIMENTAL" results of the kind the losers
claimed.. One of the most obvious one was and is still the claim of
briberies still "extorted" at Immigration and Customs at Tan So Nhut
which were nothing more than the willingly and gratefully "tea money"
to pass excessive contrabands to finance the trips of sore losers.

Repeated lies do not Truth make Sir !!!

I don't claim that Vietnam now or ever had been a Paradise on Earth
but the problem She has is no more, I dare say that it is much less,
than that of countries of same state of development.

If you were to claim that the UC at Irvine and the Pew Institute 's
results contained biases, or were intentionally designed to produce a
certain predictable result, it was you who SHOULD debate the biases
and provide evidence with scientific argument not with the
unconvincing attitude of I-Know-It -All like you and your cohorts
Veedom, Vietthot., hytran etc… did

I am a firm believer of scientific opinion polls done with correct
sampling of the interviewees, with multiple questions that were
designed to correct for biases because they almost always predicted
outcome of election within a few percentage points.

I believe that these two studies fulfilled these two requirements.
It is very childish but predictable that brainless Boat People like
you preferred hear-says testimonies than scientific research
results.. That was why they were so afraid of the Research Done at
William Joiner Institute at Boston Massachusetts and mounted Law Suits
to extinguish such research. They are afraid of the Truth dear Sir,
just like and ageing former beauty is afraid at looking at her face in
a mirror under glaring rights!

In fact, I challenge you to demonstrate scientifically the biases of
the two studies not with weak laments of offended pride but with
solid proofs


For once, El Chino, I grant you the honor of being addressed by me,
even
> though it seems to be a waste of time considering that intellectually I am
way superior to you. I'm doing you this favor out of compassion for a
> > Now back to the two studies you have cited. I don't know how truthful your
> information is because you are a notorious liar here on SCV, but for your
> own sake I will make the assumption that what you said about these studies
> is true. I hope you don't object to THIS assumption.
>
> Two independent studies conducted by some American institutions return the
> same result that favors the VCP, wunderbar isn't it? Not quite. You see, in
> science when a theory doesn't tally with experimental results, the validity
> of that theory must be questioned. The studies you cited have results which
> do not tally with reality as witnessed by a great number of Viet Kieu
> visiting the homeland, as expressed by our relatives and friends who
> actually live there, as reflected by news and stories run by Vietnamese
> domestic newspapers. Therefore the validity of these studies must be
> questioned, specifically the underlying methodologies must be scrutinized.
> Before you shout who the heck I am to question the methods of such
> distinguished American institutions, I can tell you that having raised the
> question I have a pretty good idea of what the answer may be too. It's quite
> simple really. These types of social studies basically rely on questions
> asked when the poll is conducted. It works quite well in the US because it's
> a free country and anyone can speak out whatever they like. But try to ask
> an ordinary citizen under a totalitarian regime if he or she likes the
> leadership of the ruling party and what can you expect ? The researchers
> from the US apparently did not consider this problem, that's why their
> studies are way off base.
>
> I should charge you a huge consulting fee for enlightening you, but as I've
> already said, I did this out of charity. So be grateful and repent, will
> you?
>
> JoJ
>
>
> "EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE" wrote in
> message news:6ea9eed5.0402271653.6342db93@posting.google.c om...
> > A PATRONIZING ASSUMPTION THAT WAS COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED.
> >
> > Boat people, when they were incapable of defending their outrageous
> > claim like the Brainless Vietthot resorted to "assumptions"
> >
> > Vietthot used to invalidate Nr Reese rebuttals of his idiotic claim by
> > accusing Mr Reeese of conducting sex tours in Vietnam.
> >
> > Now a Brainless Boatman, Mr Jupiterean claimed that Mr Subwood
> > stayed in 5 star hotel therefore would not know what is really going
> > on in Vietnam and how much the poor Vietnamese People are suffering.
> >
> > How heart breaking were these crocodile tears shed by a loser who
> > could not take the numerous achievements of the Vietkong as accurate
> > and verified by hundreds of observers with no axe to grind.
> >
> > The claim by Mr Subwood that the Vietnamese at home might like and
> > even admire their rulers the VCP was established by 2 independent
> > reputable Research Institutions whose works were used to guide US
> > Congress and Policy makers (State Department).
> >
> > The first one was The Research Team at UC at Irvine which included a
> > Vietnamese Woman following a model developed by the University of
> > Michigan and which had been used to measure the satisfactions of
> > citizens in dozens of countries many of them in former Communist Bloc,
> > all of Western Democracy and developed countries in Asia. It showed
> > that Vietnamese at home are optimistic about a better future and
> > believe that their leaders will deliver the results. The degree of
> > optimism and of admiration for their government are similar to that in
> > the most developed counties.
> >
> > The second Research Institute was the Pew Research Institute an even
> > more prestigious Research Institute routinely used by the US
> > government. The Results were almost exactly the same.
> > Vietnamese at home irrespective of their income, geographical location
> > (North, South or Central VN), city dwellers or Countryside dwellers
> > showed similar optimism and respect for their leaders