A Sniper with 20 Clips???????????

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 1104 GMT, Jim Wise wrote:

>Sharky;
>
>One method was to make the second round loaded into the magazine a
>tracer (that would make it the next to the last round out in firing
>order). When you saw that tracer zip out through there you knew you had
>an empty magazine and a live round in the chamber. All you had to do
>was drop the empty mag out, slap a new in and keep on firing without
>having to manually chamber a new round.
>
>Now, some dudes found it helpfull, some didn't. Is that what you were
>inquiring about?
>
>If not, I'm back to sleep
>
>Jim W.


Not to mention that the bolt lock back after the last round was fired
from the clip, 18 round load in 20 round clips were standard as clips
loaded with 20 ( we're talking 20 round clips here, never saw a 30
rounder in Nam when I was there ) weakened the clips spring if left
loaded for protracted periods of time.

Ken
11Bravo
"Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo."
-Infantry Journal

In article <2v8rmvcik83lnmg4se5nqbh3oi064qjun2@4ax.com>, Ken says...
>
>Not to mention that the bolt lock back after the last round was fired
>from the clip, 18 round load in 20 round clips were standard as clips
>loaded with 20 ( we're talking 20 round clips here, never saw a 30
>rounder in Nam when I was there ) weakened the clips spring if left
>loaded for protracted periods of time.
>
>Ken
>11Bravo

It may have been standard in some units but I always used 20 rounds while using
an M-16. My M-16 always malfunctioned during the first few rounds. Others that
I have talked with had the same experience, so that discounts the myth that the
spring had anything to do with the malfunction. If it were a problem of a weak
spring, the malfunction would occur during the last few rounds when the spring
was at its weakest point.

I had a .45 some years ago and I bought a couple of used government surplus
magazines for spares. It was then that I noticed that my .45 was
malfunctioning. I thought it was the ammo, so I tried different rounds, but I
still had the same problem. I then went to WalMart and bought several boxes of
cheap ammo and marked my magazines and then started firing. Sure enough - every
time the pistol malfunctioned it was with the same magazine and always with only
a few rounds left. Now you have to remember the LAST government purchase of
..45s were in 1946, so virtually all of them are very old and most very, very,
very used - perhaps thousands upon thousands of times... I took the magazine
that caused the malfunction and threw it away and I never had that problem
again.

The problems with the early M-16s were caused by multiple factors, but not by
putting 20 rounds in a 20 round magazine. If that was a problem, then surely
they wouldn't have went to the 30 round magazine which would have made it even
worse.

"Alligator Al" wrote in message
news:bkk1jj0s4n@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <7R9bb.2881$Rd4.533@fed1read07>, Dave Thompson says...
> >
> >If the shooter is quick enough he can consistently get off one round
'bursts'
> >>on full auto.
> >Dave
>
> Pure BULLSHIT! It was impossible to shoot less than 2 rounds with an M-16
no
> matter how fast you released the trigger.
>
> These fucking wannabes are crawling all over this ng...
>

OK, I missed it. You said bullshit instead of shithead, but you are a fruit
loop. The above is a classic Stage Three response. You are an absolutely
predictable nutball.

I own a gen-u-wine Colt M16A1, Serial Number NH094XXX. The BATF Form 4
resides in the safe with the rifle and travels in the case when it goes to
the range. I can CONSISTENTLY pull off single round shots on full automatic.

Oh, yeah. I could also consistently pull off a single round burst on one of
the four Ma Dueces on the boat. I could never get it down on the other
three.

Did I say you are an absolutely predictable nutball?

--
Dave
(The Other)

In article , Dave Thompson says...
>
>I own a gen-u-wine Colt M16A1, Serial Number NH094XXX. The BATF Form 4
>resides in the safe with the rifle and travels in the case when it goes to
>the range. I can CONSISTENTLY pull off single round shots on full automatic.

I never was able to accomplish that with any of the military M-16 rifles that I
shot. I never knew of anyone else who could do that. If I pulled the trigger -
at least two rounds would fire regardless of how lightly I pulled the trigger or
how quickly I released the trigger... Even our instructors couldn't do it...
Something doesn't smell right here...

I would like to hear from some others...

"Pepperoni" wrote in message
news:bkkaar$2i76d$1@ID-105689.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Horvath" wrote in message
> news:bkk4hg$7s9$0@206.244.73.185...
> > On 21 Sep 2003 0315 -0700, Alligator Al
> > wrote this crap:
> >
> > >
> > >That's alright if you don't know anything. No one else here does
> either...
> > >You will also hear stories about how they were not allowed to put more
> than 17
> > >rounds in a 20 round magazine (even though the magazine was
specifically
> > >designed for 20 rounds) and that they were not allowed to fire an
> automatic
> > >weapon on automatic...
> > >
> > >Is it any wonder we lost the war?
> >
> > Who's this "we"? got a mouse in your pocket? Or did you mean, "oui"?
> >
> >
> > I put 30 rounds in my M16 magazines.
> >
> >
>
> Not in Vietnam.......... which war are you talking about?
>
Most likely it's his losing battle of wits.

On 21 Sep 2003 07:45:05 -0700, Alligator Al
wrote:

>In article , Dave Thompson says...
>>
>>I own a gen-u-wine Colt M16A1, Serial Number NH094XXX. The BATF Form 4
>>resides in the safe with the rifle and travels in the case when it goes to
>>the range. I can CONSISTENTLY pull off single round shots on full automatic.
>
>I never was able to accomplish that with any of the military M-16 rifles that I
>shot. I never knew of anyone else who could do that. If I pulled the trigger -
>at least two rounds would fire regardless of how lightly I pulled the trigger or
>how quickly I released the trigger... Even our instructors couldn't do it...
>Something doesn't smell right here...
>
>I would like to hear from some others...
>
I can't remember. I know they trained us to try and fire three
rounds. I was voluntered for a night recon team and we trained near
Kontum. There was a Ranger drill designed to break contact with an
enemy force met head on. The first man was to fire a full clip on
auto, and peel back to the left. Each man behind the point would go to
one knee and count to three then fire one full magazine, and peel to
the left then we would reassemble a hundred meters to our left flank,
or something like that. The last man in the column would fire a
magazine. then throw a WP grenade. The enemy would be thinking he ran
into a very large unit, and then I guess we would call in art'y, or
whatever was available. So I would say it takes a bit less than three
seconds to fire off a full clip. We practiced this drill for an hour
or so before we did it live fire. I pulled my trigger, and the pin
slipped out. I looked to see what happened and the Captain yelled at
me to move, a split second before the man behind me unloaded. We were
always told never to take the trigger apart as the pin would become
worn. I never did, but maybe someone else did, or maybe my pin was
just defective.
http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/tom.html

>Not to mention that the bolt lock back after the last round was fired
>from the clip, 18 round load in 20 round clips were standard as clips
>loaded with 20 ( we're talking 20 round clips here, never saw a 30
>rounder in Nam when I was there ) weakened the clips spring if left
>loaded for protracted periods of time.

Other than the flak you'll take from the clip/magazine police, you've got it
right. We were told to load only 18 rounds in our 20rd mags. Gunny said it
weakened the spring after prolonged loaded conditions.
The first time I ever knew there were 30rd mags was when I was assigned to do a
report on a 1st Air Cav unit. I led a sheltered life.





"Vene! Vene! Vene!" -- Viagras the Elder

>Not to mention that the bolt lock back after the last round was fired
>from the clip, 18 round load in 20 round clips were standard as clips
>loaded with 20

Ken,

I carried an M-79 with a top load 5 round magazine. On full auto I'd end up on
my ass by the last round. - LMAO

Best I can recall, the M-16 riflemen loaded their magazines with 18 rounds.
They also duct taped two magazines together to reduce fumbling time.

Best Regards

Greg

On 21 Sep 2003 0702 -0700, Alligator Al
wrote:

>
>The problems with the early M-16s were caused by multiple factors, but not by
>putting 20 rounds in a 20 round magazine. If that was a problem, then surely
>they wouldn't have went to the 30 round magazine which would have made it even
>worse.


And you worked for Colt, When ?
My now AR-15 ( Colt ), has problems with feeding from some of my older
mag's, as does some of my hand guns, problems always rectified with
new(er) mag.
Some of the M-16 problems feeding were from dirt/ sand/(red clay ) ,
in the mag or "sweating" rounds, mold was also a problem during
Monsoon Season.
Anyone remember being told to bang the freshly loaded mag against
something to seat the rounds, Old Wives tale or not ?

Ken
11 Bravo
"Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo."
-Infantry Journal

On 21 Sep 2003 16:00:28 GMT, grglnsctt@cs.com (GrgLnsctt) wrote:

>>Not to mention that the bolt lock back after the last round was fired
>>from the clip, 18 round load in 20 round clips were standard as clips
>>loaded with 20
>
>Ken,
>
>I carried an M-79 with a top load 5 round magazine. On full auto I'd end up on
>my ass by the last round. - LMAO
>
>Best I can recall, the M-16 riflemen loaded their magazines with 18 rounds.
>They also duct taped two magazines together to reduce fumbling time.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Greg


Good call Greg, was always told that taping mags together made the 16
unbalanced.
We both know that *TOP* was always right about stuff like that, after
all it was in the "Book".

Ken
11 Bravo
"Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo."
-Infantry Journal