Attention :The pictures of the dead and captured American troops!! (inter to SEE!!)

[Moss]

hello everybody ,


im so sorry , my first post in this forum is horrible ...... i know !!

but it's the truth , we have to face it .

you can say it's a scream , the American blood shouldn't be the

price for oil !!!

[sn-e3]

Moss thanks for the pictures. and welcome to the forum. No one said the price of freedom is cheap. It is paid for through the blood of service men and women. If people think any war is a cake walk then I', afraid they just ain't thinking right. I see the protester on tv and its the same old image of the left fringes someone who is a profesional student and disetant, Probable going to school on government loans which they will never pay back. these are the same people who go from cause to cause just to get their pictures on tv its a shame our media address's them at all. Ignore them and they will go away. they need to get a job and help build the country not tear it down.

[1IDVET]

Moss.
Am I missing something in this?
Did you say that this is about oil?
If that is what you are saying, you are sadly misguided.

[Moss]

I will just make a few points to help you out get a better grasp of
the situation.
Did you know that this 12 years of UN imposed sanctions have
killed more iraqis, mainly children, from famine and disenteria?
After more than 500,000 Iraqis have died, now US remembers
about the iraq situation and the oppresive regime and go to free
the people?
do you know how many juntas have been put into force by the
american in order to server their interests? you want to talk
about Chile?
a country like Greece had a dictatorship for 7 years due to the
good friends the US. Half of cyprus is still under turkish
occupation due to (note capital, duffus) "A"merican plans to get their bases their. There
are numerous UN resolutions for Cyprus, but I dont see Mr Bush
marching in to enforce them or anybody else giving too much
thought about it.
There are many oppresive regimes in the middle east who choose
to keep their people with very little knowledge and keep control
through religious fanatism. Why pick iraq?


Iraq has the second biggest oil reserves in the planet, iraqi oil
costs 2 USD per barrel and is one with the least impurities. Also
getting control of iraq by installing a puppet goverment
introduces a splinter in OPEC, an organisation or more a cartel
that is controlling oil prices and is annoying US very much. (check
the oil crisis in the 1970s...)

UN weapons inspectors where pretty categorical that Sadam, no
longer had access to biological and chemical weapons. There is
no mention about nuclear weapons because it seems you do not
undestand the complexity of making a nuclear bomb. is not only
that you need very pure highly enriched fissionable material
which is very hard to come by (power plants do not use this) but
also the mechanism to start the chain reaction is very difficult to
produce.
This is not a war. This is an invasion to a country that is almost
defenseless against the combined military might of US and
Britain.
You know what Robin Cook said? I dont agree going to war with
a country that we have armed ourselves in the first place. Who
do you think supported Sadam after his military coup in the
1960s?Yes it was the americans and the british. They gave him
chemical weapons to fight against iran.
The 9/11 attacks are terifying but is still the result of US
intervention all over the world. You cannot go around opressing
people and still expect to be safe. There will be more 9/11
because although americans are arrogant, they are not invincible.
The UN Sanctions have been starving iraq, and weakening them
out. They could never have had the potential to threaten
anybody, not after 1991 and with the majority of the iraqi military
destroyed.
You believe in democracy. The united nations, and its extension
the security council were democratic organisations that did not
support this invasion. Did Bush and Blair listen? No to support
their own agenda they went ahead illegaly on their own on a
campaign that has alieanted US and UK from his allies. When
most of the European states are against the war and only Spain
and UK go for it and express differently, what do you think this
does to European cohesion?
For how long can you stand for Britain to be a pawn of the US, or
the 51st state as they jokingly call them.
There is no war that does not harm civilians. All this smart
weapons, well, they are not that smart to differentiate between
soldiers and civilians, they are just smart in killing more
effectively. The fact that they say very few civilians are being hurt
is complete nonsense. when you bomb from 30.000 feet, you do
not know where the bomb will fall. Bahdad is a city of 5.000.000
people, you still think very few civilians are being hurt?
As for the protesters being so violent as you say, how would you
feel if your voice, along with 70% of the world was against this
war and yet nobody listened to you?is this democracy? nope it is
not.

more than 140 MPs from Blairs own party are against the war.Why do you think they act this way?

and finally what (note capital, duffus) "A"mericans dont know about their free country, is
that all information is carefully controlled and manipulated in
order to direct and form the counsioucness of the people the way
the goverment wants.
you ponder about the above, hope I have given you enough
good reasons why this war is not for liberation of freedom, but
for control of Oil reserves.

[David]

Moss you are entitled to your opinion but my friend that is all it is, your opinion. When you can start producing evidence to support your wildly extravagant claims you may actually be heard for more then a face in the sea of mislead anti-American hate mongers. You are riding a fashionable wagon now while the very people you debase give their lives for your future. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Your pictures of American dead have been removed. This public forum is not the place for them. If you would like to post them to the gallery they will be filed in the appropriate category.

[1IDVET]

Ahhh, another liberal tirade.
How pleasent.
The information that you refer to is liberal garbage.
As for convincing me, get a better argument.
As for the UN, I never supported that body of globalists, big government is death to freedom.
No one denies that civilians will be harmed in war, the exception here is the considerable restraint that the US and the coalition have thus far maintained, despite the FACT that Iraq is using this "character flaw" of the US against us.
The US did not cause the terrorists of 9-11 to do what they did.
As for nukes, if the Israelis hadn't blown the FRENCH designed and built reactor to a smoking hole, it would be a different story all together.
This isn't the 70's anymore. Oil imports aren't coming solely from the Middle East, as a matter of fact, California produces 50% of its own oil. Your argument still has no merit.
The 12 years you refer to, were through the UN, hence, the problems of today. The US did not kill the 500,000 Iraqis, Hussein did.
Why pick Iraq, I haven't heard of any other Arab countries invading their neighbors, or killing the masses of humanity that Hussein has.
But, I ramble, I am pretty sure, that until you start using rational thought instead of the emotional diatribes that are common with most liberals, you will continue to be a "useful idiot".

[sn-e3]

Welcome back kule, ronnie, And i forget your name when you were a medic doc holliday i think any way people like you come and flame us but your methods don't work on real veterans and true patriots so flame on big boy. You and your urk are a joke. I'm just glad you have the fredom to express your self, If you go to Iraq I'll pay your plane fare then try to post I dare you big shot.

[catman]

Moss if you intention is to come here and start trouble just keep moving. This is a site full of peace loving God fearing United States Veterans. We have fought and spilt our blood to give you the right to spew your filth. Do not come to my house and run down my way of life, I promise you will lose.

Trav

P.S. If you would like to know who i am and what i stand for, just read my profile, I was not afraid to fill mine in.

[9th Inf. Doc.]

Moss

What country do you come from?Notice you don't list one on your bio. or much of any thing else for that matter.No pride in who and what you are?Can't say as I blame you much there.

Our boys and the Brits are paying a big price in their own blood in their effort to avoid civilian casualites.I don't believe it's worth that price and would prefer to see Bagdad turned into a parking lot.

[FlyBoy]

Originally posted by catman Moss if you intention is to come here and start trouble just keep moving. This is a site full of peace loving God fearing United States Veterans. We have fought and spilt our blood to give you the right to spew your filth. Do not come to my house and run down my way of life, I promise you will lose.

Trav

P.S. If you would like to know who i am and what i stand for, just read my profile, I was not afraid to fill mine in.

DITTO! Here's a post from another forum by someone supposedly from the Netherlands. I think this person should feel sorry for themself living under Socialism!

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How co-incidental - 75.000 bodybags and another 75 billion for the war just recently demanded.
And the Congress gives all that money without even questioning. Strange!!!
B. can just ask whatever he wants and he gets it. The 75 billion includes another 62.6 extra money for war effort, 7.8 for little friend Israel, 1 billion for bribery of Turkey, only 543 million for humanitarian aid, no money for peace mission.
What to think of that? Will there be any money left after all this for the Americans themselves? I really feel sorry for you all.