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Old 03-12-2005, 10:21 AM
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The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.

In a letter sent to the BSA last month, the ACLU vowed to take legal action against public schools and other taxpayer-funded governmental agencies that charter Scout groups, claiming their sponsorship amounts to religious discrimination and violates the separation of church and state.

The ACLU specifically takes issue with the Scouts' pledge of allegiance to God and country and the organization's prohibition of homosexuals as scout masters. BSA national spokesman Gregg Shields told the Baptist Press the organization was pulling its charters from schools "as a matter of stewardship."

"We obviously don't want that [expensive lawsuits against schools] to happen," Shields told the news agency. "Instead, the Boy Scouts have tried to protect the resources of our education partners by moving our charter from public schools to other community-based organizations such as parent-teacher organizations or Salvation Army units or nearby religious organizations."

Shields stressed the loss of its charter does not necessarily mean the scout troop can no longer meet at the school. "Boy Scout troops will still have the same rights as any other community-based group to meet in school buildings, but the charter will not be held by the school administration," he said.

Shields hopes churches and other community-based groups will make up for the lost charters, estimated to be in the thousands.

The BSA is the largest youth organization and is run with the help of 1.3 million adult volunteers.

The BSA has learned to take the ACLU's threat of litigation seriously, having been in its crosshairs for 25 years. The ACLU has sued the BSA 14 times on similar grounds, according to Shields.

The BSA prevailed in the most prominent lawsuit when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2000 to uphold a New Jersey troop's removal of an assistant scoutmaster after it became known he was openly homosexual.

This legal victory emboldened the ACLU and homosexual opponents to increase pressure on the organization.

The Pentagon agreed to start warning its bases not to sponsor scout troops to settle one issue raised in a five-year-old lawsuit brought by the ACLU's Illinois chapter. "If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based upon religious beliefs," Adam Schwartz of the ACLU of Illinois said in a statement. "This agreement removes the Pentagon from direct sponsorship of Scout troops that engage in religious discrimination."

But Thomas P. Cadmus, national commander of the American Legion, said in response: "The idea that sponsorship of Scouting by American military units is 'unconstitutional' goes beyond the absurd, even well past the point of stupidity."
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Old 03-12-2005, 11:29 AM
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"Even well past the point of stupidity"

To quote Jackson Browne we "past that point long ago"
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Old 03-12-2005, 11:42 AM
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VERY GOOD REASONS FOR DESTROYING, Brice.

Still, my reasons are more so in the survival mode.
We should destroy The ACLU or: "AEACLU" (Anti Everything American Civil Liberties Union) before "They" finish or completely destroy...US and/or The USA. .

Hey and besides,...wartime is no time for fools to continue being anti-God, nationally-suicidal and nationally undermining, anyway.

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So many institutions and donors have pulled out of supporting scouting that the national organization is waging a campaign to get the organization endowed. The James E West program recognizes those who have donated $1000 or more to this endowment. Among those who have pulled support are Levi Strauss cut out their $5,000,000 a year donation and Steven Spielberg cut all ties with the scouts. I don't wear Levis any more.


If the ACLU's avowed mission is protection of the Bill of Rights, why do we need an NRA?
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I think that the whole group needs to take their "separation of church and State" message to the Middle East.I'd be willing to contribute to a ticket buying fund.
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It's a sad day when a group that claims to suport liberties is doing nothing more than destroying them. Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their grave at the sounds of this. How do people look at the Declaration of Independance and let pathetic groups like this exist? Church and State? Wasn't that what the United States was built on?!
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The ACLU files suits and complaints. It's the juries and judges that deliver decissions. These are the rightful targets of your ire.
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Chas,in theory,your statement holds water.Unfortunately though,the ACLU wields a tremendous weapon in merely bringing suit due to the vast wealth of it`s secularist supporters.In many cases all that is needed is the threat to bring an adversary to his knees.Sort of reminiscent of the Mafia or Gestapo,eh?

Personally,I support the Boy Scouts of America by making donations at the local level.I used to donate to United Way,but they buckled and wrote off the scouts so no more dough from me.
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I understand what you're saying Phu, but why doesn't Pat Robertson or such use some of their considerable wealth to fend off the ACLU?
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Pat Robertson is wealthy-140 million
George Soros is wealthier-11 Billion
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