PC or What?

[Advisor]

I'll post this without comment. Figure it speaks for itself.:cd: :cd: :cd:

Military urged to try nonlethal weapons

Tuesday, November 5, 2002 Posted: 1:26 AM EST (0626 GMT)

The 40mm Sponge Round gives soldiers the capability to stun individuals without penetrating the body.

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WASHINGTON (AP) --[/b] Development of nonlethal weapons such as bad smelling chemicals to control crowds or psychological methods to calm them, energy beams to stop vehicles and underwater barrier systems should be given a high priority by the Navy and Marine Corps, the National Research Council recommended Monday.[/b]

"In particular, nonlethal weapons are an additional way to provide greater security for military bases and protect our security," said Miriam E. John of Sandia National Laboratories, chair of the committee that prepared the report.

The recommendation comes just over a week after about 120 captives died when Russian forces pumped incapacitating gas into a theater where about 40 Chechen separatists had taken more than 750 people hostage. Russian officials said the gas was not supposed to cause deaths.

The goal of nonlethal weapons is to incapacitate people or equipment while minimizing unintended fatalities and damage, the Research Council said.

"What we're saying is that we're putting our soldiers in harm's way, doing humanitarian and peacekeeping missions, without the tools to deal with these large crowds that can turn on them in a minute," John said in a telephone interview.

She said calming methods that would have a psychological impact on people -- perhaps using music or speaking to crowds appropriately in their language -- have not been well studied.

As for using chemicals to calm crowds, she said international treaties are complicated. "The lawyers have got to get together on this. There is so much latitude for interpretation, it needs a very, very careful look."

The report noted that while chemicals that have a physical effect, such as putting people to sleep, may be banned under treaties, materials that have a psychological impact, calming people down, may be legal.

Marine Capt. Shawn Turner, spokesman for the military's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, said he has not yet seen a copy of the study and could not comment on it.

Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project, a chemical and biological weapons monitoring group that is the chief critic of nonlethal weapons programs, called the council's report "terribly, terribly irresponsible."

"The panel's findings will be used by the Pentagon to redouble their chemical weapons development efforts with potentially disastrous results for arms control," he said. "Other countries will follow suit and controls on chemical weapons could quickly destabilize."

The armed services have operated a joint nonlethal research program since 1996 and the committee urged that it be sped up.

The study was done after the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, although it was requested before then, John said. Seventeen U.S. sailors were killed when a dinghy loaded with explosives rammed the destroyer as it was refueling in Aden.

Taking that into account, the report stressed the need for accelerated research into barrier and entanglement systems that could be deployed to stop vessel movement.

Other possibilities suggested were solid-state lasers, chemicals that stop engines and calmatives to stop such attackers.

The report recommended that:

?The Defense Department's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate focus on stimulating and exploring new ideas and improving the ability to study such weapons' effectiveness.

?The directorate should establish special centers to study the effects of nonlethal weapons on people and equipment and establish a "seal of approval" process.

?Working with the directorate, the Office of Naval Research should increase nonlethal weapons research and development.

?The Navy and Marine Corps should establish a senior-level working group to actively oversee nonlethal weapons development and its blending into naval warfare.

Among nonlethal weapons the U.S. military is already investigating are the possible use of drugs such as Valium in a spray form to calm rioting crowds. Some critics contend the effort violates international treaties and federal laws against chemical weapons, an allegation the military denies.

Researchers at a Pentagon-funded institute at Pennsylvania State University prepared a 50-page report in 2000 saying that developing calmative weapons "is achievable and desirable" and suggesting drugs like Valium for further research.

One hurdle for using such drugs for riot control, the researchers wrote, is finding a way to deliver the substances to large groups, such as in a spray or mist.

Other problems are figuring out how to prevent other injuries, such as from people falling down if they are knocked unconscious, as well as determining the proper strength of a spray depending on whether it is to be used indoors or outside.

Material collected by the National Research Council disclosed a wide range of proposed nonlethal weapons ranging from liquid projectiles to microorganisms that gobble up highways and runways, making them unusable, sticky sprays that make floors and stairs a gummy mess and foul-smelling fogs.

Some examples are already in use, including tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-bang grenades.

The National Research Council is an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, an independent organization chartered by Congress to provide scientific advice to the government.

[colmurph]

Bet that not one of these "Think Tank" folks has ever been in combat. I want to be able to "Immediately Stop" someone who is getting ready to shoot me, not slow him down or make him sick. He could be puking all over his rifle and still kill me. If these folks know so much.......let them go and fight the next battle with their "Non Lethal" weapons.

[reconeil]

Excellent response, Murph.

Besides, I must believe that everyone else in The Military was taught from day-one (as I was), to never point a weapon AT ANYTHING (especially murderous scum),...unless planning to kill it. The reasoning being much the same as you explained and/or that a dead enemy can not harm you or your buddies. Works-fir-me.

Neil

[Keith_Hixson]

We don't have to kill anymore, just stun. I'm impressed, after they get stunned they'll just run away and hide, never to bother us again with their lethal weapons. Brilliant Idea! I wonder how much the guy makes who thought that one up.

Keith