Congressional panel: It’s time to let women serve in combat

[reconeil]

Beside that finding: "The thought of seeing a woman's guts blown out offensive", your
analogy of women playing in NFL was very good also.

Both certainly do make sane, sensible & normal and/or basically apolitical types think. Nothing you & like-minded say to race & gender pandering zealots will ever make a-damn-bit of difference.

Getting America's military policy makers to change their minds,...is even more difficult doing.

Neil

[BLUEHAWK]

I believe that gender-based instincts governing this sort of thing are not nearly yet to the place where it is worth the risk of formalizing it as is being considered (again, and again, and again, and...) - nobody wants to see anyone maimed by a heartless sadistic enemy, or for any other reason.

So, to intentionally place females in that location, as their MOS, is extremely difficult to tolerate in the abstract.

All-female infantry combat or special operations units, that might work.

[SuperScout]

Women in strictly combat units? Not only NO, but Hell No.

[1CAVCCO15MED]

Upper body strength is lacking for the most part and that is very important in combat. Think hand to hand fighting. I think the fact they had to modify the PT test for women shows the problem. That is not to say there are not women who could do anything needed in combat but they are in the minority. In a national emergency like WW II I can't imagine drafting girls to the infantry. Because the ones capable are very much in the minority, it could never be more than a "right" for the few capable.

[reconeil]

It all basically-boils-down to necessity.

As things stand now,...America simply DOES NOT NEED women in a combat role capacity. Women now in Lethal Combat situations are there due chance, political pandering & societal engineering.

Whereas if MANY Russian Women didn't volunteer & serve admirably in air force, infantry, armored & sniper units during WWII,...it's very doubtful that Russia could have even survived.

One out of every Five, 20% and/or 20 MILLION Russians never lived to see the end of war.

Damn-near same-o, same-o exists (plus has LONGTIME EXISTED) for tiny little Israel. Outnumbered by Fanatical Muslim Hostiles by at least 10-20 to One, Israeli Women better keep on bravely volunteering to fight their much nicer, cuter & prettier little butts off.

Betcha to a man,...most Israelies appreciate such hutzpah from their ladies. If weren't for such gutsy girls or fighters,...it's very doubtful that tiny Israel would have even lasted about 63 years? Such are Needed,

Neil

[BLUEHAWK]

Having no personal knowledge of how Israeli women are deployed in uniform, it would be very interesting to know if they are ever assigned to infantry combat units as riflemen, other than in an emergency.

[reconeil]

Don't actually know about Israeli Women deployments, either.
Just saw an awful lot of such parading-around with UZIs, on TV over the years.

None as great lookin as: "Ziva" of NCIS show. But,...obviously lethal & deadly enough.

Still, I believe you-hit-it-right-on with that word: "Emergency".

When outnumbered 10-20 to one by Hostile Muslims intent Destroying & Annihilating you & country ANY WAY POSSIBLE,...everyday in general would seem like a an: "Emergency" to me. Too bad America's Rulers don't take such just as seriously.

Never mind that historic French Foreign Legion movie truism: "March or Die".
The sad realistic truth for ALL Israeli Men, Women & Children is: FIGHT or DIE!!!

After all, Arab/Muslim Terrorists taught/trained from birth to make no destinction whatsoever when typically mass-murdering Men, Women or Children Infidels, shouldn't be shrugged-off.

Plus, Arab/Muslim ammo, explosives & missiles make no gender destinction either. Never did.
"That's a fact Jack",...or Jill (both American & Israeli).

Neil

[BLUEHAWK]

And, except for too many Muslims, women and children first is pretty well ingrained in the heart of most males... even our sons.

[darrels joy]

women and children first is pretty well ingrained in the heart of most males... even our sons.

Please don't make that sound like it's a bad thing.

Joy

[1CAVCCO15MED]

"It's time to debunk the myth, once and for all, that Israel's experience with allowing women in combat was successful and, therefore, should be duplicated by the Pentagon. It wasn't successful. It was a disaster by Israel's own admission.

"History shows that the presence of women has had a devastating impact on the effectiveness of men in battle," wrote John Luddy in July 27, 1994, for the Heritage Foundation backgrounder.

"For example, it is a common misperception that Israel allows women in combat units. In fact, women have been barred from combat in Israel since 1950, when a review of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War showed how harmful their presence could be. The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit. The study further revealed that unit morale was damaged when men saw women killed and maimed on the battlefield," Luddy said.

Writes Edward Norton, a reservist in the Israel Defense Forces: "Women have always played an important role in the Israeli military, but they rarely see combat; if they do, it is usually by accident. No one in Israel, including feminists, has any objection to this situation. The fact that the Persian Gulf War has produced calls to allow women on the front lines proves only how atypical that war was and how little Americans really understand combat."

"Few serious armies use women in combat roles. Israel, which drafts most of its young women and uses them in all kinds of military work, has learned from experience to take them out of combat zones. Tests show that few women have the upper-body strength required for combat tasks. Keeping combat forces all male would not be discriminatory, as were earlier racial segregation schemes in the military, because men and women are different both physically and psychologically," said the Feb. 5, 1990, National Review.

Furthermore, Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld has written extensively about the failure of the IDF to successfully integrate and use women in combat.

Finally, even Israeli citizens don't relish the thought of allowing their women into combat roles. In 1998, a survey conducted by the Jerusalem Post newspaper found that 56 percent of Israelis don't want women in combat.