Public Apology to Vietnam from the United States of America

In article <53bxb.5544$ZE1.416@fed1read04>,
"Dave Thompson" wrote:

>
> I'll apologize when Hanoi apologizes for all the South Vietnamese civilians
> they murdered or 're-educated'.
>
> --
> Dave Thompson
> (The Other)

Come on Dave,

Sign the petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/vietapol/petition.html

There's a space for your comments. I doubt that Hanoi will take
much comfort from those already there.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...cgi?vietapol&1

This is an opportunity for you to express your true feelings.
I'll bet you could think of something you would like to tell them.

-Dai Uy

--

Hey guys, in case you were wondering... the war you all fought never
ended. It still continues today and the mess that America and allies
left behind is far worse in some respects because the destruction goes
unchecked. The Viet have control and those in Laos who supported the
US in the dream of attaining democracy have been left to fend for
themselves against double the foe. Viet Army and Lao PDR Communist
Army. US Ambassador Hartwick does nothing to support people who were
once allies to US. He just closes his eyes as a true diplomat does and
the people remain the hunted in the jungles, with no where to run.
They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
torture still so bad like before in war time. No apology can right the
wrong that has been done to the innocent... just seems to me like the
apology is something nice between two diplomats. Viet/Lao still hate
americans and joke to me at work in laos that they love Jane Fonda and
Ali [boxer] because they don't come to kill our brothers.




"Duke of URL" wrote in message news:...
> "Lenny D" wrote in message
> news:9f2a0b6e.0311261443.7e77b085@posting.google.c om
>
> > If you live in the United States and want to apologize for the
> > Vietnamese civilians killed in and after the Vietnam War due to the
> > US's military interference there, please sign this petition:
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/vietapol/. The petition does not
> > reflect anybody's political views; it is merely from civilians to
> > civilians. If you disagree with the cause, please don't flame
> > anybody who signs--this is just compassion for those lost.
>
> Where's the petition for the Viet government-members to sign
> apologizing for all innocent civilians brutally murdered by their
> troops during and after the war?

Guess what motherfucker. If you pissants had shown a few balls while the
US's young men were dieing to help YOU get rid of the commie bastards you
wouldn't be subjugated little pieces of shit.

--


Don Thompson

Ex ROMAD


"Kay Danes" wrote in message
news:6eedd7ac.0311270215.6ca18e1e@posting.google.c om...
> Hey guys, in case you were wondering... the war you all fought never
> ended. It still continues today and the mess that America and allies
> left behind is far worse in some respects because the destruction goes
> unchecked. The Viet have control and those in Laos who supported the
> US in the dream of attaining democracy have been left to fend for
> themselves against double the foe. Viet Army and Lao PDR Communist
> Army. US Ambassador Hartwick does nothing to support people who were
> once allies to US. He just closes his eyes as a true diplomat does and
> the people remain the hunted in the jungles, with no where to run.
> They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
> some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
> So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
> torture still so bad like before in war time. No apology can right the
> wrong that has been done to the innocent... just seems to me like the
> apology is something nice between two diplomats. Viet/Lao still hate
> americans and joke to me at work in laos that they love Jane Fonda and
> Ali [boxer] because they don't come to kill our brothers.
>
>
>
>
> "Duke of URL" wrote in message
news:...
> > "Lenny D" wrote in message
> > news:9f2a0b6e.0311261443.7e77b085@posting.google.c om
> >
> > > If you live in the United States and want to apologize for the
> > > Vietnamese civilians killed in and after the Vietnam War due to the
> > > US's military interference there, please sign this petition:
> > > http://www.petitiononline.com/vietapol/. The petition does not
> > > reflect anybody's political views; it is merely from civilians to
> > > civilians. If you disagree with the cause, please don't flame
> > > anybody who signs--this is just compassion for those lost.
> >
> > Where's the petition for the Viet government-members to sign
> > apologizing for all innocent civilians brutally murdered by their
> > troops during and after the war?

kay_danes@yahoo.com.au (Kay Danes) wrote:
>Hey guys, in case you were wondering... the war you all fought never
>ended. It still continues today and the mess that America and allies
>left behind is far worse in some respects because the destruction goes
>unchecked. The Viet have control and those in Laos who supported the
>US in the dream of attaining democracy have been left to fend for
>themselves against double the foe. Viet Army and Lao PDR Communist
>Army. US Ambassador Hartwick does nothing to support people who were
>once allies to US. He just closes his eyes as a true diplomat does and
>the people remain the hunted in the jungles, with no where to run.
>They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
>some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
>So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
>torture still so bad like before in war time.

Let me see if I understand you correctly . . . . You are saying that fighting still
goes on over there? Where (which country)? How about a few details regarding this
war/fighting -- something of a general nature will suffice.

Doug

In article ,
Doug Reese wrote:

> kay_danes@yahoo.com.au (Kay Danes) wrote:

> >They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
> >some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
> >So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
> >torture still so bad like before in war time.
>
> Let me see if I understand you correctly . . . . You are saying that fighting
> still
> goes on over there? Where (which country)? How about a few details regarding
> this
> war/fighting -- something of a general nature will suffice.
>
> Doug
>

You've been out of touch? Or this sort of information isn't in
their travel brochures?

Try the following URLs:

http://washingtontimes.com/world/200...3519-7958r.htm

Protests target Laos

Leading members of the Senate demanded an explanation from the
Laotian ambassador about reports that his government is starving
opponents of the communist regime, as immigrants from the Southeast
Asian nation protested outside the Laotian Embassy yesterday.

The demonstrators also targeted the Vietnamese Embassy to protest
that government's military aid to the Laotian army, and the State
Department to denounce Bush administration efforts to gain
congressional approval of normal trade relations with Laos.

The protests, organized by the United Lao Congress for Democracy
and the National Center for Public Policy Analysis, came as Laotian
Foreign Minister Somsavat Lengsavat was thought to be in Washington
to lobby for the trade measure, protest leaders said. The Laotian
Embassy did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Douglas Hartwick, the U.S. ambassador to Laos, was at the State
Department during the protest but avoided the demonstrators as he
left. The protesters want Mr. Hartwick recalled to show U.S.
displeasure with the Laotian government. Mr. Hartwick last month
signed a bilateral trade deal with Laos, the first step in the
trade-normalization process.

Democratic Sens. Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin and Dianne
Feinstein of California organized Friday's letter to Ambassador
Phanthong Phommahaxay, which the protesters released yesterday.

Mr. Feingold, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
and Mrs. Feinstein, a member of the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, cited an Oct. 2 report by Amnesty International that
denounced Laos for using "starvation as a weapon of war against
civilians."

The senators and five of their colleagues who also signed the
letter said the Amnesty report supports complaints they have received
from constituents about human rights abuses against the ethnic Hmong
community in Laos.

Thousands of Hmong families are caught up in a conflict between
government troops and a small Hmong uprising of rebels equipped
mostly with weapons left over from the Vietnam War.

Mrs. Feinstein and Mr. Feingold said many of their constituents
"claim that the Lao government is killing innocent civilians and that
Hmong are suffering from malnutrition and starvation without access
to medical attention."

They also referred to reports in May and June in Time magazine's
Asian edition that said Laotian troops "hunted down and surrounded a
'ragtag army with wailing families in tow' and appeared to be on the
brink of slaughtering them."

"Starvation as a weapon of war is a violation of the Geneva
Conventions, which Laos has ratified," the senators said in their
letter. "We urge you to investigate the treatment of the Hmong in the
jungles of Laos and put a stop to any practices violating
international law."




http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...255E1702,00.ht
ml

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...iew/55070/1/.h
tml

You might take note that the two reports above are out of Hanoi,
whose troops have been tasked with doing most of the repression.

-Dai Uy

>>>>
Leading members of the Senate demanded an explanation from the
Laotian ambassador about reports that his government is starving
opponents of the communist regime, as immigrants from the Southeast
Asian nation protested outside the Laotian Embassy yesterday.
>>>>

There is an old saying "if there is smoke, there is fire". Laos communist
regime did not suppress its anti government people for no reason. Several
months ago, these hmong anti communist people as they are called launched an
insurgency attack throughout laos from their refuge in the united states.
The attacks were characterized by several major bombings in Laos' capitol
and army bases. The attacks killed an unknown number of government soldiers
and civilian. Well that is the reason laos starves its anti government
people.

Landlocked, mountainous, poor, and with only 50,000 troops to defend the
country, laos has little resources to mobilize personnel quickly to deal
with such attacks. So, it asked Vietnam to mobilize several thousands troops
to help it deal with the insurgency. Laos did not ask china because it
knows that the last time the chinese was in vietnam, they stayed for 1000
years. Laos did not ask for Thai's help neither because in the 80s Thailand
supported insurgency groups based in Thailand against laos. Vietnam staged
as much as 50,000 troops in laos in the 80s to help laos deal with hmong
insurgency. However, the Vietnamese had little resources to stay for long.
So, Vietnam left laos only after a few years in the country. However, due
their friendship treaty, Vietnam can deploy troops in laos to help its ally
if called upon.


>>>>
Douglas Hartwick, the U.S. ambassador to Laos, was at the State
Department during the protest but avoided the demonstrators as he
left. The protesters want Mr. Hartwick recalled to show U.S.
displeasure with the Laotian government. Mr. Hartwick last month
signed a bilateral trade deal with Laos, the first step in the
trade-normalization process.
>>>>>

The reason the ambassador runs away because the ambassador does not want the
world to call the United States a hypercrite. While fighting the war
against terrorism, the United States does not want other countries saying
the United States some how supports laos insurgency groups based in the
United States to carry out bombing to undermine any government. In other
words, the United States is saying "I don't care what the hell you are
fighting for. If you are fighting with bombs, then you are not with us.
You are with bin laden doctrine". In other words, the laos insurgency does
not use their brain. Now, they are losing the battle against the laos and
vietnamese militaries and being starved. They should blame themselves.

Laos, a country of only 5 million people, landlocked, poor, little industry,
and a major transit for the world second largest opium producer, Burma.
Vietnam and the United States do not want to see laos become a battle ground
for insurgency where neither the government nor rebel control the country,
but part of it like Burma. Where both the government and rebel forces are
engaged in drug production to buy arms to finance their wars like in Burma,
and spread the drug problem to neighboring country such as Thailand.
Vietnam wants to keep laos as a buffer to keep drug from Burma from entering
Vietnam. Vietnam and the United States do not want to see laos becoming the
world third largest exporter of opium after Burma. That is why the United
States will not undermine any effort by the vietnamese to assist laos
fighting the war against the insurgency. Moreover, rather than supporting
insurgency groups to undermine an already fragile region, the United States
is more interested to benefit from the potential multi millions dollars
trade with laos after the passage of normal trade relations.

Laos People's army:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0166)

Relations with Vietnam:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0153)

Relations with Thailand:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0154)

Country Study:
http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/latoc.html

Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
>In article ,
> Doug Reese wrote:
>
>> kay_danes@yahoo.com.au (Kay Danes) wrote:
>
>> >They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
>> >some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
>> >So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
>> >torture still so bad like before in war time.
>>
>> Let me see if I understand you correctly . . . . You are saying that fighting
>> still
>> goes on over there? Where (which country)? How about a few details regarding
>> this
>> war/fighting -- something of a general nature will suffice.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>
> You've been out of touch? Or this sort of information isn't in
>their travel brochures?

I was pretty sure he/she was speaking of Laos, but wasn't sure. Out of touch?
Absolutely, as far as Laos goes.

Doug

In article ,
"unknown" wrote:

> >>>>
> Leading members of the Senate demanded an explanation from the
> Laotian ambassador about reports that his government is starving
> opponents of the communist regime, as immigrants from the Southeast
> Asian nation protested outside the Laotian Embassy yesterday.
> >>>>
>
> There is an old saying "if there is smoke, there is fire". Laos communist
> regime did not suppress its anti government people for no reason. Several
> months ago, these hmong anti communist people as they are called launched an
> insurgency attack throughout laos from their refuge in the united states.

Not exactly. These particular Hmong anti-communists are largely
comprised of and led by former Hmong communists who are pissed at the
broken promises and agreements of their former communist allies.

What evidence can you produce to show that these attacks were
launched from the United States?

> The attacks were characterized by several major bombings in Laos' capitol
> and army bases. The attacks killed an unknown number of government soldiers
> and civilian. Well that is the reason laos starves its anti government
> people.

You confirm the intentional nature of the starvation the Hmong.
It's OK then?

>
> Landlocked, mountainous, poor, and with only 50,000 troops to defend the
> country, laos has little resources to mobilize personnel quickly to deal
> with such attacks. So, it asked Vietnam to mobilize several thousands troops
> to help it deal with the insurgency.

Not to mention to prop up an unpopular communist dictatorship.

> Laos did not ask china because it
> knows that the last time the chinese was in vietnam, they stayed for 1000
> years.

That is why Hanoi would never allow their Laotian puppets to
receive help from China. Laos is already owned by Hanoi.

> Laos did not ask for Thai's help neither because in the 80s Thailand
> supported insurgency groups based in Thailand against laos. Vietnam staged
> as much as 50,000 troops in laos in the 80s to help laos deal with hmong
> insurgency. However, the Vietnamese had little resources to stay for long.
> So, Vietnam left laos only after a few years in the country. However, due
> their friendship treaty, Vietnam can deploy troops in laos to help its ally
> if called upon.

There you have it.
>
>
> >>>>
> Douglas Hartwick, the U.S. ambassador to Laos, was at the State
> Department during the protest but avoided the demonstrators as he
> left. The protesters want Mr. Hartwick recalled to show U.S.
> displeasure with the Laotian government. Mr. Hartwick last month
> signed a bilateral trade deal with Laos, the first step in the
> trade-normalization process.
> >>>>>
>
> The reason the ambassador runs away because the ambassador does not want the
> world to call the United States a hypercrite. While fighting the war
> against terrorism, the United States does not want other countries saying
> the United States some how supports laos insurgency groups based in the
> United States to carry out bombing to undermine any government. In other
> words, the United States is saying "I don't care what the hell you are
> fighting for. If you are fighting with bombs, then you are not with us.
> You are with bin laden doctrine". In other words, the laos insurgency does
> not use their brain. Now, they are losing the battle against the laos and
> vietnamese militaries and being starved. They should blame themselves.
>
> Laos, a country of only 5 million people, landlocked, poor, little industry,
> and a major transit for the world second largest opium producer, Burma.
> Vietnam and the United States do not want to see laos become a battle ground
> for insurgency where neither the government nor rebel control the country,
> but part of it like Burma. Where both the government and rebel forces are
> engaged in drug production to buy arms to finance their wars like in Burma,
> and spread the drug problem to neighboring country such as Thailand.
> Vietnam wants to keep laos as a buffer to keep drug from Burma from entering
> Vietnam. Vietnam and the United States do not want to see laos becoming the
> world third largest exporter of opium after Burma. That is why the United
> States will not undermine any effort by the vietnamese to assist laos
> fighting the war against the insurgency. Moreover, rather than supporting
> insurgency groups to undermine an already fragile region, the United States
> is more interested to benefit from the potential multi millions dollars
> trade with laos after the passage of normal trade relations.
>
> Laos People's army:
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0166)
>
> Relations with Vietnam:
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0153)
>
> Relations with Thailand:
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...d(DOCID+la0154)
>
> Country Study:
> http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/latoc.html
>
>

You can read more about the fighting in Laos on the web site of the
Americans. www.factfinding.org

When we reported to the US Task force that our employee in our company
was aware of missing in action US people we got in big trouble from
the Lao officials. They came to our office and said never to go to US
Embassy again first. Can only report this type of thing to the Lao
police and they will take care of things. It was a very serious
occassion. But anyway, the ethnic Hmong and many Lao people are still
fighting against the communist regime because they have very little
choice. When US pulled out of Vietnam the Viet Army did not honour the
agreement of the 14 nations or Paris Peace Agreement and instead of
withdrawal... they pushed forward and took over the government of
Laos. Since 1975 there has been much unrest in the country. The
sympathizers to the US during the war could not escape and were left
to fend for themselves. They helped USA with everything and were
promised democracy and freedom but now they are like the cursed. They
are hunted down until everyone of them will be killed and their
generation because they have the American mentality for freedom. This
is not the way of the current government who must maintain peace,
harmony, unity of the Lao PDR. Another good site to see about trouble
in Laos is http://www.laonationalistreformparty.com this is the site
of the former soldier who was fighting in the war.



Doug Reese wrote in message news:...
> Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
> >In article ,
> > Doug Reese wrote:
> >
> >> kay_danes@yahoo.com.au (Kay Danes) wrote:
>
> >> >They use the chemical on those that remain fighting for freedom and
> >> >some women and children get skewered like the pig on the spit roast.
> >> >So many sent to the death camps and they still operate today and the
> >> >torture still so bad like before in war time.
> >>
> >> Let me see if I understand you correctly . . . . You are saying that fighting
> >> still
> >> goes on over there? Where (which country)? How about a few details regarding
> >> this
> >> war/fighting -- something of a general nature will suffice.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >
> > You've been out of touch? Or this sort of information isn't in
> >their travel brochures?
>
> I was pretty sure he/she was speaking of Laos, but wasn't sure. Out of touch?
> Absolutely, as far as Laos goes.
>
> Doug

> As a veteran you would be familiar with PTSD. What do we call this when it
> afflicts a whole nation?
>
> WAR !
>
>
> "Dave Thompson" wrote in message
> news:Ltcxb.5571$ZE1.289@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Zednik" wrote in message
> > news:6gcxb.35$zW.1621@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > >
> > > "Dave Thompson" wrote in message
> > > news:53bxb.5544$ZE1.416@fed1read04...
> > > >
> > > > "Lenny D" wrote in message
> > > > news:9f2a0b6e.0311261443.7e77b085@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > If you live in the United States and want to apologize for the
> > > > > Vietnamese civilians killed in and after the Vietnam War due to the
> > > > > US's military interference there, please sign this petition:
> > > > > The petition does not reflect
> > > > > anybody's political views; it is merely from civilians to civilians.
> > > > > If you disagree with the cause, please don't flame anybody who
> > > > > signs--this is just compassion for those lost.
> > > >
> > > > Sure it does. It is implicit that you think the US was wrong, evil
> and
> > a
> > > > pox on the world.
> > > >
> > > > I'll apologize when Hanoi apologizes for all the South Vietnamese
> > > civilians
> > > > they murdered or 're-educated'.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Thompson
> > > > (The Other)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here once more speaks the voice of kultcher and reason. We understand
> Dave
> > > why you lost. One day you might too.
> > >
> >
> > Top posting from an Ozzy about culture? I need not expound on the level
> of
> > culture in a country where beer drinking is a contact sport.
> >
> > By the way. Have you started a petition for Australia? You blokes killed
> > your share. Oh, yes. If we lost you also lost.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Thompson
> > (The Other)
> >
> >
>
>