Vets Pick Their Top Ten Vietnam War Films

On 23 Jan 2004 06:35:53 -0800, arty_faque@yahoo.com (Art) wrote:

>thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote in message news:<401089f9.14433738@news.melbpc.org.au>...
>> On 22 Jan 2004 0635 -0800, arty_faque@yahoo.com (Art) wrote:
>>
>> >thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote in message news:<400f3933.21414692@news.melbpc.org.au>...
>> >> On 21 Jan 2004 09:35:06 -0800, arty_faque@yahoo.com (Art) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Re: Vets Pick Their Top 10 (JFK's) Vietnam War Films. JFK's Vietnam
>> >> War & How Liberals Spat On Vets.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry but Ike and Nixon started the war when they refused to hold
>> >> elections because they knew Ho Chi Minn would win and not their puppet
>> >> Diem.
>> >>
>> >> THOM
>> >
>> >Yes, the Viet Minh, Viet Cong and the NLF were terrorists, and
>> >terrorism works, doughnut?
>>
>> Viet Minh terrorists!!! What a laugh. By your definition so were the
>> Minute Men or "Blue Coats" of the American Revolution. I might buy
>> the term partisand but Terorist!! Even the official US Government
>> definition doesn't classify them as terrorists.
>
>Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a laugh, indeed.

yes the USA government is a joke under Bush
>>
>> NFL? What did the National Football League have to do with the war?
>
>The National Liberation Front, you freak.

Sorry but not being a Tory republican I don't keep up on things like
commie buzzwords or Clinton's penis. I have better things to worry
about.

>One of the signatories of
>the 1973 Peace Accords (Which Hanoi violated as soon as it possibly
>could, BTW--something you seem reluctant to mention).

So complain to the UN. Unlike Bush and his gang I was in Viet Nam, I
did my bit, they didn't. Did you?

>> :-)
>> >
>> >Uncle Ho was backed by the Soviets and the PRC.
>>
>> First of all you need to spell out PRC because most people have no
>> idea what it means, and of course the Soviets backed Ho. When we
>> double crossed him and gave Indochina back to the French to bribe them
>> into the UN he went to who ever would help him.
>
>Minh was a Communist as early as 1928, you myopic little apologist. In
>WWII we thought we could ally with the Communists. We were wrong--so
>sue us.

And what kind was he in 1928? Was he a Tito style communist, a Castro
type, a Moa type, a lenin type, a Stalinist or what. Communist says
nothing because there were so many different types.
>
>55,000 Soviet "Military Advisors" were actually operating air defenses
>and flying the Migs that shot down American and ARVN pilots.

SO? In WW2 there was the Eagle Sqd and the Flying Tigers. There were
also yanks in Canadian planes before DEC 7th. Why is it right for us
and not for them???? Also please tell me about these pilos operating
over South Viet Nam and shooting down South Vietnamese planes?
>
>370,000 PRC soldiers masqueraded as the NVA. This is confirmed from
>documents recently released by China.

So? There were also all kinds of Nationalities serving in the Waffen
SS. If French fought with the WSS on the Russian front does that make
DeGaul a Nazi??? German soldiers also fought in the Revolutionary
war. Does that make Jefferson a crout???
>
>And look; if they don't know what PRC stands for, they got no business
>in this conversation, anyway.

The issue is that its all a straw man. You know nothing about the
people of the region or their history. You don't understand the fact
they were at war for 300 years!

Ho saw at last a free Viet Nam and the US gave it back to the French
to bribe them into the UN.
>>
>> >Had there been AN
>> >"election"?it would have certainly been the LAST election.
>>
>> Your proof of this is? Even Viet Nam today has regular elections and
>> theres at least 5 parties that I can think of. I believe I posted
>> their names a while back.
>
>This is simply delusional. While there ARE, in fact, regular general
>elections, there is only ONE political party:

Excuse me unenlightened one, I have posted no less than 6 on this news
group (alt.politics.bush) and it appears I have to do it again. I'll
cut back a bit and just give you the bigger ones

Dang Cong San Viet Nam [Communist Party of Vietnam]
Lien Dang Cach Mang Vietnam [Coalition of Vietnamese National
Parties (CVNP)]
Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang (VNQDD) [Vietnamese
National Party]
Viet Nam Workers' party (not a communist party)

>The CPV (The Communist
>Party of Vietnam. It's headed by Strong Man General Secretary Nong Duc
>Manh.

So? We have a strong man named Bush trying to control us? I see no
difference.
>>
>> >Unless you
>> >think the Il Duce of Hanoi had in mind some sort of benevolent, free
>> >republic where the proletariat and the bourgeoisie would live side by
>> >side in harmony?
>>
>> well we don't have that here either do we. Ho's Viet Nam is a typical
>> Asian government, no different than it was under the empress Nam
>> Phuong, emperors Thành Thá'i et Duy Tân or the last dynesty of the
>> (Chi D). Nguyens before the war. You also leave out the fact that
>> most of the Hue emperors did not control all of the north so you had a
>> residual issue left over there when the country was divided in half.
>>
>> You really need to learn more about Viet Nam before tou go making
>> silly statments like that.
>>
>I'm not sure I'm the one who needs to learn about Vietnam, Thom.

I learned more than Bush did in the service. oppps sorry, Bush dodged
the war didn't he. And as far as knowing the country, I live and work
(when I choose to) in Australia and with my duel passport I can be in
Saigon in just a few hours and have been. First time was an amazing
surprise!! Skyscrapers, modern 5-star hotels etc etc.
>
>"The Vietnamese authorities have violated human rights on a frequent,
>continuous, and systematic basis.

and we haven't? We murdered 20 million native Americans, put them in
goologs called reservations with crooked agents in charge, kept slaves
for 300 years and have descriminated against blacks and hispanics for
hw long???

>Thanks to the opening [to the
>outside world] and better information, the collective knowledge of
>Vietnamese people has been raised considerably. That automatically
>leads to more and stronger voices demanding freedom, democracy,
>religious rights,

No problem with religion in VN, temples and churches are open.

>and so forth. Rising alongside that development is
>the government's oppression, resorting to all kinds of sophisticated
>and treacherous tactics.

Like invading Iraq? Opps, that was Bush.

>Such oppression violates the people's
>fundamental rights which are defined in the constitution itself and in
>various covenants on human rights signed by the Vietnamese government.
>In recent years, given the upsurge of more democratic voices and their
>ability to link up, the violation of fundamental human rights have
>increased both in severity and brazenness. This trend is expected to
>continue in the future. "

> --- July 23, 2002 Testimony of Nguyen Vu Binh (who, himself, is now
>under arrest in Vietnam and awaiting what Human Rights Watch
>characterizes as a summary trial that will last only a few hours and
>whose outcome is almost always predetermined by Vietnamese
>Authorities--Binh faces 20 to Life, at LEAST)

Look for every example you can give me I can give you more. Its
called living in glass house syndrome.
>
>
>Among lots and lots of other documentary evidence that flys in the
>face of your efforts to mischaracterize this typical Communist regime
>(Asian or otherwise).

Sorry but communism died 14 years ago. Check a map, no USSR...all
gone!
>
>This is just the most recent.

Yes a recent map is much better. Plus if you want to look at humna
rights problems why do you not talk about right wing capitalist BURMA
or Indonesia!!! How many Aechens or Timorese have the right wing
capitalist indonesians murdered? And now we have the West Papua
problem? No commies causing that little mess.

THOM
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>Art