VA Medical Centers

The Washington Post had an article yesterday in the Outlook section on
young doctors and their residency training. The doctor told horror
stories of a VA medical center in 1990. But, later in the story he
states that today the VA is in many ways doing better than most other
medical systems today. I hope they keep improving, and not by taking
away benefits we earned.
http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/tom.html

Fucking shill. That link doesn't go anywhere near any story about the VA.
Cocksuckers that use the shill method you just used fall into the "To be
ignored" category. Fuck you very much.

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Don Thompson

Ex ROMAD


"Tom Lacombe" wrote in message
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> The Washington Post had an article yesterday in the Outlook section on
> young doctors and their residency training. The doctor told horror
> stories of a VA medical center in 1990. But, later in the story he
> states that today the VA is in many ways doing better than most other
> medical systems today. I hope they keep improving, and not by taking
> away benefits we earned.
> http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/tom.html

Screw the VA medical system !!! it is a employment scheme for
bureaucrats ( non-veterans at that ).
If this country wanted to take care of Disabled Vets... we should
receive access to something like BlueCross... make our own choice of
health care providers.... won't have to wait average of between 6 wks
and 5 months to get a appointment for health care.....actually talk to
an American doctor....
Unfortunately I am supposed to use the wonderful Detroit Va
hosp....can relate more horror stories about the sorry state of the va
health care sys...

The Past isn't Dead.
it isn't even Past...

The VA accepts Blue Cross. However, the VA does provide an excellent level
of care to diabetics, most who use the Endocrinology units of VA facilities
do far better than they would from a Blue Cross HMO.
"michael lee" wrote in message
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> Screw the VA medical system !!! it is a employment scheme for
> bureaucrats ( non-veterans at that ).
> If this country wanted to take care of Disabled Vets... we should
> receive access to something like BlueCross... make our own choice of
> health care providers.... won't have to wait average of between 6 wks
> and 5 months to get a appointment for health care.....actually talk to
> an American doctor....
> Unfortunately I am supposed to use the wonderful Detroit Va
> hosp....can relate more horror stories about the sorry state of the va
> health care sys...
>
> The Past isn't Dead.
> it isn't even Past...
>

There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many administrators
tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and the VA
still is using veterans as guinea pigs.

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"Tom Lacombe" wrote in message
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> The Washington Post had an article yesterday in the Outlook section on
> young doctors and their residency training. The doctor told horror
> stories of a VA medical center in 1990. But, later in the story he
> states that today the VA is in many ways doing better than most other
> medical systems today. I hope they keep improving, and not by taking
> away benefits we earned.
> http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/tom.html

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 1655 GMT, "JASON A. KAATZ"
wrote this crap:

>There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many administrators
>tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and the VA
>still is using veterans as guinea pigs.


If you were a doctor, would YOU work for the VA?



Hero@Horvath.net

Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Some doctors starting out in practice and/or who might have left the
military as a doctor might not be able to afford medical malpractice
insurance which the VA seems to cover and as a doctor can earn upwards to
$120 K per year or better depending on board certifications and soforth. To
some such can be attractive, plus, the can also continue to teach medicine
as some do at local universities when not working for the VA. Not everyone
has a rich daddy to put them into a medical practice.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 1655 GMT, "JASON A. KAATZ"
> wrote this crap:
>
> >There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many administrators
> >tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and the
VA
> >still is using veterans as guinea pigs.
>
>
> If you were a doctor, would YOU work for the VA?
>
>
>
> Hero@Horvath.net
>
> Ave Imperator Bush!
> Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

No, if I was a doctor. But I'd jump on the chance to work for the national
health care thing for doctors. They move them to the wilderness, pay them
next to nothing and work them hard (remember that TV series about the little
town in Alaska?). But in exchange they pay off one year of medical school
debt for each year the doctor works in the system. After 4 years, the
doctor doesn't owe a cent and has 4 years of experience in general medical
practice.

--
If you get what you want, what's to stop you
from asking for more?

"Horvath" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 1655 GMT, "JASON A. KAATZ"
> wrote this crap:
>
> >There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many administrators
> >tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and the
VA
> >still is using veterans as guinea pigs.
>
>
> If you were a doctor, would YOU work for the VA?
>
>
>
> Hero@Horvath.net
>
> Ave Imperator Bush!
> Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

"meport" wrote in message
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>
> "Horvath" wrote in message
> news:bj38at$877$5@206.244.73.185...
> > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 1655 GMT, "JASON A. KAATZ"
> > wrote this crap:
> >
> > >There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many administrators
> > >tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and the
> VA
> > >still is using veterans as guinea pigs.
> >
> >
> > If you were a doctor, would YOU work for the VA?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hero@Horvath.net
> >
> > Ave Imperator Bush!
> > Bush Was Right! Four More Years!
>
>
> No, if I was a doctor. But I'd jump on the chance to work for the
national
> health care thing for doctors. They move them to the wilderness, pay them
> next to nothing and work them hard (remember that TV series about the
little
> town in Alaska?). But in exchange they pay off one year of medical school
> debt for each year the doctor works in the system. After 4 years, the
> doctor doesn't owe a cent and has 4 years of experience in general medical
> practice.
>
> --
> If you get what you want, what's to stop you
> from asking for more?

The program has been in place for many, many years. A person entering
medical school can sign an agreement with either the military or with the
Indian Health Service and gain the experience and paid medical school.
Plus, they are not paid 'next to nothing'. They are commissioned in both
cases as a Captain/Lieutenant and paid 'professional' differentials. It
comes as a surprise to many that physicians in the IHS are commissioned in
the Public Health Service and carry a green ID card just like the military
with ALL the benefits including commissary, BX and family health care.

Guess what? Both the military and IHS cannot fill their annual need for new
physicians even with such generous programs. It seems that most medical
school graduates would rather be saddled with hundreds of thousands in debt
than to give 5 years of service even at an excellent salary and benefits.

--
Dave
(The Other)

There is another program where physicians go to rural places (Eustis, Maine
for example) for 4 years and get a year of medical school paid for each year
of "service". This program is newer than the Public Health Service
program. It's an attempt to stop the critical shortage of physicians in
rural areas.

--
If you get what you want, what's to stop you
from asking for more?

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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>
> "meport" wrote in message
> news:gTE5b.22334$EW1.5867@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >
> > "Horvath" wrote in message
> > news:bj38at$877$5@206.244.73.185...
> > > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 1655 GMT, "JASON A. KAATZ"
> > > wrote this crap:
> > >
> > > >There is clearly a doctor shortage in the VA and to many
administrators
> > > >tripping over each other. Few patients are getting quality care and
the
> > VA
> > > >still is using veterans as guinea pigs.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you were a doctor, would YOU work for the VA?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hero@Horvath.net
> > >
> > > Ave Imperator Bush!
> > > Bush Was Right! Four More Years!
> >
> >
> > No, if I was a doctor. But I'd jump on the chance to work for the
> national
> > health care thing for doctors. They move them to the wilderness, pay
them
> > next to nothing and work them hard (remember that TV series about the
> little
> > town in Alaska?). But in exchange they pay off one year of medical
school
> > debt for each year the doctor works in the system. After 4 years, the
> > doctor doesn't owe a cent and has 4 years of experience in general
medical
> > practice.
> >
> > --
> > If you get what you want, what's to stop you
> > from asking for more?
>
> The program has been in place for many, many years. A person entering
> medical school can sign an agreement with either the military or with the
> Indian Health Service and gain the experience and paid medical school.
> Plus, they are not paid 'next to nothing'. They are commissioned in both
> cases as a Captain/Lieutenant and paid 'professional' differentials. It
> comes as a surprise to many that physicians in the IHS are commissioned in
> the Public Health Service and carry a green ID card just like the military
> with ALL the benefits including commissary, BX and family health care.
>
> Guess what? Both the military and IHS cannot fill their annual need for
new
> physicians even with such generous programs. It seems that most medical
> school graduates would rather be saddled with hundreds of thousands in
debt
> than to give 5 years of service even at an excellent salary and benefits.
>
> --
> Dave
> (The Other)
>
>