This Piece From South Of The Border - Speaks For Itself!

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Posted on Thu, May. 18, 2006

Mexicans denounce Senate border plan

WILL WEISSERT
Associated Press

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - Mexican lawmakers angrily denounced a measure approved by the U.S. Senate to build new border fences, and illegal immigrants vowed to skirt them and cross into U.S. territory anyway.

But the administration of Mexican President Vicente Fox, which had called the fence proposal "shameful" and "stupid" as recently as December, was conspicuously silent after the Senate bill passed Wednesday - perhaps because the measure also opens the door for millions of undocumented Mexicans to achieve some legal status in the United States.

"There are so many of us, most with families and roots in the United States. They are never going to stop us from crossing," said Julio Cesar Gutierrez, a 21-year-old from the western city of Guadalajara who was planning to swim across the Rio Grande into Texas from the border city of Nuevo Laredo. "We will dig under a wall, go over one. If the authorities over there want a war, we will fight."

Gutierrez, who was wearing a Washington Nationals baseball cap and a backpack carrying bottled water, said he had crossed three previous times and worked as a cook in Houston but was deported each time.

"They want to treat migrants like criminals," he said. "All we want to do is work."

The Senate agreed to give many illegal immigrants a shot at U.S. citizenship, but also backed construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the southern border. It is unclear where the new barriers would be built, though some have speculated they could go up in an area that includes Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas.

The measure, which has yet to clear the House, comes as President Bush continues to flesh out his plans to deploy 6,000 National Guard soldiers along the border to support the Border Patrol.

In Mexico City, lawmakers from Fox's conservative National Action Party and both major opposition parties denounced the initiative.

"It's a lamentable development and more evidence of a step backward in bilateral relations between Mexico and the United States," said Inti Munoz, a spokesman for House lawmakers from the leftist Democratic Revolution Party. "The construction of a wall and the militarization of the border are signs that speak of the absolute failure and lack of Mexican foreign policy."

Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said late Wednesday that the government would not immediately comment on the Senate bill. Just days earlier, the Fox administration was quick to express concern that Bush's National Guard plan could "militarize" the border region.

In December, the Mexican president said extending border walls was "shameful," and Derbez called a U.S. House proposal to do so "stupid."

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador - a fiery Fox critic and the Democratic Revolution Party's presidential candidate in July 2 elections - called the president's silence on the Senate bill a sign of weakness.

"The truth is the federal government and the president have no authority," Lopez Obrador said Wednesday. "And for that reason, Mexicans who cross the border out of necessity are being humiliated."

Migrants preparing to cross the border in Nuevo Laredo said they would prefer to climb walls than make dangerous trips through the desert into Arizona and New Mexico, routes that have become popular since U.S. authorities fortified barriers separating San Diego and Tijuana.

"In the desert, smoke rises from the ground and you can die while you're walking," Gutierrez said. "The river here, even with a wall, is easier."

Jose Antonio Maldonado, a 16-year-old from Honduras who was trying to make it into the United States illegally for the first time, said he had no family or friends across the border and was unsure where to find work if he succeeded in crossing.

"We have withstood days of train rides, risking our lives without eating, without sleeping, to get to the border," he said, detailing the trip from his homeland. Central Americans traveling without proper documents in Mexico face deportation and often complain of being beaten or extorted by corrupt authorities.

"If there were a wall here, or any other obstacle, we'd overcome it," he said.

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"This does not sound like peacefull rhetoric to me, but rather threats?"

Central Americans traveling without proper documents in Mexico face deportation and often complain of being beaten or extorted by corrupt authorities.

"If the above statement of facts (in red) does not speak volumes about a double standard, then what does? If this is not the threat of invasion, then what is?"

This is not an attempt at stiring the pot on my part, just the words of elements south of the border as reported in the media.

"6000 troops hell, put a couple of divisions along 'OUR' border. It is still our border, isn't it?"

VERITAS

[Seascamp]

At last check Nuevo Laredo was only marginally dotted line connected to Mexico City, maybe, and then only as a matter of some sort of courtesy. Most usually the various government factions vying for control of the border corruption are getting after each other with RPG- 7s and heavy machine guns. I think the last Nuevo Laredo Top Cop lasted record two or three days, and then got poofed in a hail of gunfire. The Mexican crime cartel and connected government officials own the joint and too funny that they referred to as, ?Mexican Lawmakers?. More like ?Badge? We don?t need no stinking badge?, bunch of pistolaros and for real border banditos making things up as they go. So of course they will have bad things to say about the Gringos whizzing in their mess kit.

The Latino hombres in MS 13 don?t like the Gringo either but all same-same hombres say all same-same things and fancy straw man titles don?t mean didly except to our addle patted media and self-serving politicos.
And maybe young Cezar Guterrez should be careful what he asks for and how he defines himself. Big clue, the hard-time, serious crime US prison population of Hispanic illegals now is equal to or greater than the prison population of Mexico, and growing by leaps and bounds. So it isn't like everone is having a siesta or can be bought off or so easily killed as is the case in Nuevo Lerado.

Scamp

[reconeil]

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!! Friend,...and especially the: "6,000 Troops..............." part.

Hell,...ANYONE (even morons with half brains) know full well that no politicians on earth (nor American or Mexican types) ever safeguarded or secured a border,...IF BEING HONEST anyway.

Usually for America's Quite Fanatically Bent and/or Career Pandering Political Breed (especially of foreigners, minorities and darker hued races), Safe & Secure Borders are normally quite counter their desired ends. Then too, and since the more beholders (even criminal insurgents and/or illegals) daily acquired increases their staunch voter and beholder base,...that makes all such type politicians alluded to,..."HAPPIER than pigs in s--t".

Whereas, the overwhelming majority of: "We The (Scnooks" and/or The Sole Payers for all such political absurdities and/or the quite nationally-suicidal norms prevailing are NEVER HAPPY,...and quite rightfully since survivability threatened by same political absurdities and/or quite asinine policies or decrees..

Whatever,...Political Lords or Political Rulers will remain so forever (naturally taking turns every 2-4-6 years),...just like We The Subjects and/or Peasantry will remain so forever, and just obey our laws as decreed.

Still, how come We never get to take turns or respites like Our Ruling Lords, and how come all foreigners (here legally or otherwise) don't SIMILARLY have to obey American Laws,...nor SIMILARLY suffer any consequences for unarguably and quite obvious criminal behavior??? Seems awfully biased and bigotted (unfair also) by MANY of America's Politicos and Politically Appointed Courts,...to me?

Regardless, and in fairness to politicians in general, at least Mexican Politicians seem quite concerned about the safety and well being of The Mexican Citizenry while here in America.
Whereas, America's Politicians don't seem near as concerned about their very own citizenry, here in America. WHY IS THAT??????????

Hey,...WE DO ALL THE PAYING? Isn't that enough?

Neil

Really don't care what a bunch of Mexican Politicans, or American Politicans think, Build the wall damnit, and by all means if the National Guard and Reserves will help secure our borders, so be it.

[Jerry D]

If Sherman could devastate a line of territory from Atlanta to Savannah in 1863 why can't our military do the same on the border to stop these Illegal Migrants from crossing our borders in modern day USA?Just a point of history to point out how our Government has went from protecting the borders of the US to "please can't we all just get along" winers Illegals aren't interested in Voting for Gringo Politicians just for as much of the Pie they can get from Uncle Gringo Sambo..and when that pie runs out then they might just make us the English speaking Americans an endangered species. Take a trip to Montreal to find out how it feels to speak English with folks who prefer their mother tongue French. IMHO build the Wall soon before the fabric of the USA changes more then can be reversed.