Walls can't stop migration, Mexican official says

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Walls can't stop migration, Mexican official says

BY LAURENCE ILIFF

The Dallas Morning News


MEXICO CITY - (KRT) - A top Mexican official said Thursday that "there is no wall that can stop" the flow of illegal workers from Mexico to the United States and that money spent on such measures would be better used to "regularize" immigration and fight terrorism.

Interior Minister Santiago Creel, a likely presidential candidate next year, said U.S. attempts to halt migration over the last 100 years have failed. And so will new measures approved by the U.S. Senate this week and signed into law by President Bush, he said.

"We see this as bad because building walls in no way contributes to the construction of a good neighborhood," Creel said during a news conference with foreign journalists.

"It seems to us an extreme measure," said Creel, whose powerful ministry is responsible for internal political order, national security and Mexico's National Migration Institute.

The measures to dissuade illegal immigration approved by the U.S. Senate were included in an $82 billion military-operations spending bill, which passed unanimously Tuesday. The provisions include a ban on issuing driver's licenses to illegal workers. The bill also provides funds to complete a San Diego-area border fence separating California and Mexico.

But Creel complained that while Mexico is addressing American concerns - such as deporting about 250,000 foreigners a year who use this country as a trampoline to the United States - it has received nothing in return.

Neither the U.S. Congress nor the Bush administration has moved forward on immigration issues that Mexico wants resolved, such as an expanded guest-worker program and some type of "regularization" plan to make illegal workers legal over time, he said.

The Mexican government does look positively on some immigration proposals, such as one being promoted by Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz., because such plans include both a guest-worker program and a path to legal permanent residence, Creel said.

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[Jerry D]

I guess Interior Minister Santiago Creel never heard the american motto that Good Fences make good neighbors

[Seascamp]

Those Mexico City bandito pistolaros wouldn?t admit reality if it jumped up and bit them in the butt. Something like $15 billion a year is sent home by the illegals and I?m sure every corrupt aficionado from Tijuana south is skimming from that stack, both coming and going. Then add in the welfare costs being incurred by all the South Western States, and the total dollar flow number probably comes close to doubling but no doubt harder to skim from the welfare stack from Mexico City. Yet they whine about not being compensated for handling their own deportees. Perhaps Mexico City would like to sign up for the legal and incarceration costs the US is incurring to process the serious lawbreakers that end up here and are doing their thing.

A wall or fence system hasn?t worked because no one has wanted to make it work, especially the crooks and skimmers in Mexico City. But with proper construction, manning and procedures it can be made to work quiet effectively and that is the worst nightmare come true for the banditos and pistolaros that live quite handsomely by skimming and ripping off the border traffic.

Scamp

[David]

Lord forbid we build a real wall and Mexico has to actually deal with all of their drug dealing murderous criminals and out of work workers themselves. It is obvious though that their government would rather sluff the former off on us to avoid competition for their positions and the later to avoid competition for their bread

P.S. Mr. Creel, the Minutemen have stemmed your putrid flow quite nicely thank you.

[HARDCORE]

Gents,

Senor Creel is just echoing the mind set of many within the Mexican government. They are not asking, but rather demanding a wide-open border policy, so that their "Land-Locked Boat People" can flood in faster than a thundering tsunami!

Many of those seeking to cross the border illegally, may be good people, but have no contributory skills, and Mexico (in my opinion) is just trying to eliminate the growing strain upon their own economy by sanctioning this mass exodus!

Mr Creel (as in a leaky basket that holds a few slippery fish), alluded to the fact (in my own opinion) that our border fence is indigent at best, and that we can not stop the flood of Mexican Cast-Offs? In this regard, I have to agree, as fences are meant to send a message, but are not that effective at keeping determined people at bay!

And baring Creel's demand (another opinion) that we merely open our borders wide and let our economy and countryside be overrun, maybe we should find other solutions. "How about we make everyone in Mexico eligible for U.S Welfare Programs if they stay on their side of the border (Only kidding of course)!?"

Maybe we can pay the "Fox-Creel Gang" extortion/protection money like the Pirates of Tripoli, Al Capone or Kim Jong Il, to keep our borders free of illegal clutter? (only kidding again!)

In reality, how about we double all tariffs or ban many imports from Mexico, make illegal border crossing a felony punishable by hard time in a desert labor camp, cut off any foreign trade or aid to Mexico until they change "Their Screw The Good old USA Mindset", etc.

"Talk and diplomacy sure as Hell ain't working, now are they?" Either we close off the border fences, or we tear them down and suffer the consequences in short order!! But not to worry, as some of our (Chamberlain-like) bleeding hearts and politicians, those who now have their sightless heads stuffed up their pompous asses where it concerns "What To Do About The Border Problem", will merely retire to their estates (far removed from the problem), pour themselves another jigger of imported hooch, let out with a long and odoriferous fart, and chuckle under their stenchified breath!

The bitter fruits of this wanton incompetence (or is it betrayal), however, will poison the system of Lady Liberty for decades (or longer) to come!

The bottom line here is this - "When in your life time, have you ever witnessed any nation (even a Third World Enclave) ordering your Uncle Sam to sit up and beg?" The time was, when if any foreign-based ass-hole took advantage of us, and then laughed about it, we responded in unity. "But then times have indeed changed, have they not!"

In effect, what Fox and his alter ego Creel are doing, is laughing in our faces, with the blessings I might add, of a few of our own government officials, as well as certain short-sighted portions of the general (U.S.) population!

No matter what solutions we may eventually arrive at, two things remain a fact -

1- Even with the dedicated and courageous service of U.S. Border Enforcement, a small portion of our government in DC is still playing the part of an international ostrich along our borders, and

2- The government of Mexico thinks that our mandates and laws are a joke.... (The old Pancho Villa/Columbus, New Mexico Syndrome)!

VERITAS, or is that Drop You Pants Amigos?

[39mto39g]

But a canal would work, from California to the gulf. With Gun towers.

Ron

[Seascamp]

With regard to pants dropping, it all depends on which Amigo is getting the horn, eh. Illegals and their employers pay no taxes in their name, no workmen?s comp program, no unemployment insurance, no SS co-pay, no medical insurance, nada. They are totally invisible but when things go bad, they get hurt, become sick, need a momentary hand-up or in some cases a perennial and permanent hand-out, it is the unknown Gringo Amigo who stands for all those bills. Then there is the cost of services such as schools, police and fire protection, recreation parks (that are becoming increasingly un safe and useless.), on and on. And it is still the same unknown Gringo Amigo who pays for all that as well and is de facto getting the horn right now. So maybe those Minutemen are not vigilantes at all as alleged, but perhaps they are the Gringo Amigos who are getting screwed over, big time, but have taken the time to figure out who the screwees are and who the screwors are.

Scamp

[Advisor]

Just a thought...would the American people stand for a HUGE increase in food prices, increased landscaping costs (corporations would just pass the increase on to the consumer) and a shortage of domestic help? This part of the illegal equation is never mentioned.

As for the Mexican people, I really love them. Their government has been giving them the old hoo haw since the beginning. I was in Mexico during the last Presidential election & the young people were so optimistic because the PRI was going & they thought Fox was on their side. Sadly, they found out he is nothing more than another plastic front man for the ruling oligarchy..the European Mexican..the ones with no 'indian' blood in them. I have watched them treat their own people like absolute dirt. Worse than any ugly 'norteamericano'. The oligarchy encourages this migration & probably even profits from it (they have their fingers in everything)..certainly eases the pressure on their basketcase economy.

Walls won't stop migration?
That one in berlin sure slowed it down a mite!

[Advisor]

Think maybe the guards, guns, towers, dogs & wire had something to do with it?