Germans Support Claims That The US Government Staged and Plotted 911
 

Germans Support Claims That US Plotted 911




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ws/2003/10/17/
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Germans Support Claims
That US Plotted 911
"If what I say is right, the whole US government
should end up behind bars."
By Kate Connolly
The Telegraph - UK
10-17-3

BONN -- A former cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of anti-Americanism in Germany with a book arguing that the US government mounted the Sept 11 attacks as part of a plot to win global domination.

Andreas von Bulow has gone even further than Michael Meacher, Britain's former environment minister, who claims the US knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.

Von Bulow, 66, believes that Sept 11 was staged to justify the subsequent wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

The German government has made no official response to the book, although ministers have tried to distance themselves from his views.

But von Bulow's ideas are very popular and polls show a fifth of Germans believe Washington ordered the attacks.

The CIA and September 11, written mainly from internet research, is a besteller, with sales of more than 100,000.

? Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2003.





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Subject: God Put Bush In Charge, Says US General


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ws/2003/10/17/
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God Put Bush In Charge,
Says US General
By David Rennie
The Telegraph - UK
10-17-3

The general leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has publicly declared that the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol", and believes the war on terrorism is a fight with Satan, it emerged
yesterday.

Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have
dug up two years' worth of seemingly incendiary comments from Lt Gen William
"Jerry" Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for
intelligence.

Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that
President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of
Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him
there for a time such as this."

In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord
in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American
capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and
his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.

He also emerged from the conflict with a photograph of the Somalian capital
Mogadishu bearing a strange dark mark. He has said this showed "the
principalities of darkness... a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as
the enemy".

On the Middle East, Gen Boykin told an Oregon church in June that America
could not ignore its Judaeo-Christian roots. "Our religion came from Judaism and
therefore [Islamic] radicals will hate us forever."

In the same month, Gen Boykin told an Oklahoma congregation that Osama bin
Laden and Saddam Hussein were not the enemy.

"Our enemy is a spiritual enemy because we are a nation of believers... His
name is Satan."

The disclosures will doubtless be seized on by Muslim critics as proof that
the US-led war on terrorism is a crusade against Islam. It is a charge that Mr
Bush has worked hard to refute.

Though careful to respect minority religions within its ranks, the US
military is strikingly devout from top to bottom. Mr Bush and several key figures in
his administration are staunch Christian conservatives.

Few outside the Pentagon noticed when Gen Boykin, a 13-year member of Delta
Force, the top-secret commando unit modelled on the SAS, was promoted this
summer, with responsibility for speeding the flow of top-secret intelligence to
commandos hunting bin Laden and other high-value targets.

At a routine press conference yesterday, Donald Rumsfeld, the normally
confident defence secretary, appeared wrong-footed by the controversy. He hailed the
general's "outstanding record" and said his comments were made "in his
private capacity".

However, Mr Rumsfeld was careful to cite Mr Bush's injunctions against
viewing Islam as the enemy.

Gen Boykin told NBC that he would be curtailing his speeches to religious
groups. "I don't want to come across as a Right-wing radical," he said.

Von Bulow
 

Has no facts to support his loosely knit ideas. Too bad we have believers and even in the USA. Von Bulow is a nut.




General Boykin needs to temper his rhetoric. Probably not wise for a general and it certainly doesn't help the cause. Radical Muslimism is very, very dangerous but to incite the fire could be dangerous. We don't to make the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq religious wars (Holy). As a general his rhetoric could incite more problems.

Keith

The general's views
 

After carefully reading the article about LTG Boykin's statements, I can only say power to him. His was very careful to differentiate between decent Muslims, and those who have hijacked their religion for political and terrorist purposes. With some radicals, anything we say, from reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to reading aloud the New York City Telephone book, will incite them to the point of violence. While not encouraging language that picks a fight, I contend that we need more forthright speakers, those who speak like they still have a pair, those who do indeed have the power of their own faith and convictions.

This Andreas von Bulow must be the Michael Moore of Der Fodderland, but probably not as fat. If his attitude is gaining favor there, we need to seriously rethink our presence in Germany, to minimize it where possible, and to reposition those troops either in friendly countries, or back home. Perhaps this move out of Europe is the "exit strategy" that should have been spelled out long ago after V-E Day. Is 50+ years long enough to formulate an exit strategy?

Agreed Superscout :ae: and I didn't find Gen. Boykin's statements to be any different then any mullah in Iran. If the Imans and Mullahs can say we are the Great Satan and that all infidels should be killed ? Why is the Generals comment "his God is bigger then Their god" in front of a Christian Denomination any different? When the Liberals start holding other diverse cultures to the same high standards as they seem too for the Average WHITE, CHRISTIAN, MALE I will start believing them! Untill then Go for it Gen Boykin it's your 1st amendment right of Speech and Religion to state said same. "Deo Vindice" :a: