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Anonymous 01-28-2004 10:48 AM

What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

The IRA. "I Ran Away."

Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
department of mythmaking.
They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
an urban legend. I decided to
go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
Moore has been using the very
strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?

It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
Is he a deserter or a coward?

Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
The raw documents are at:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm

Summary of the facts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9151-2000Jun25

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html

http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...cnn/index.html

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0531-03.htm

http://www.AWOLbush.com
-=-
This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.





Brooks Gregory 01-28-2004 10:54 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Total unmitigated bullshit and you have fallen for it. Heck, I bet you even
sent old Marty Heldt the 24 bucks he asks for.


"Anonymous" <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote in message
news:4QFO998K38014.5754050926@anonymous...
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?
>
> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
>
> Summary of the facts:
>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9151-2000Jun25
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html
>
> http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html
>
>

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...cnn/index.html
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0531-03.htm
>
> http://www.AWOLbush.com
> -=-
> This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.
>
>
>
>




Brooks Gregory 01-28-2004 10:54 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Total unmitigated bullshit and you have fallen for it. Heck, I bet you even
sent old Marty Heldt the 24 bucks he asks for.


"Anonymous" <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote in message
news:4QFO998K38014.5754050926@anonymous...
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?
>
> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
>
> Summary of the facts:
>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9151-2000Jun25
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html
>
> http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html
>
>

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...cnn/index.html
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0531-03.htm
>
> http://www.AWOLbush.com
> -=-
> This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.
>
>
>
>




Nigel Brooks˛°°4© 01-28-2004 12:29 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Anonymous" <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote in message
news:4QFO998K38014.5754050926@anonymous...
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?
>
> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:



How about posting the "Spin-mail" including all of the headers. Otherwise -
go elsewhere and troll.

Nigel Brooks



Nigel Brooks˛°°4© 01-28-2004 12:29 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Anonymous" <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote in message
news:4QFO998K38014.5754050926@anonymous...
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?
>
> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:



How about posting the "Spin-mail" including all of the headers. Otherwise -
go elsewhere and troll.

Nigel Brooks



Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 01:26 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Anonymous the lumpenproletariat tool for all politburos and MoveOn.org
wrote:
>
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?


It turns out the debate should be on the correct word for you and
the other agitprop specialists in these newsgroups that are lying
about G.W. Bush and John Kerry. And there is a much larger selection
of choices

Are you (plural):

A. college profs
B. paedophiles and sex tourists banging 8-y.o. Vietnamese girls
C. registered sex offenders
D. Nazis or Hillary Clinton
E. Bolsheviks, communists, socialists
F. Maoists, Viet Cong, Khmer Rouge
G. Clintonistas and other mass media members
H. Choices D-G
I. draft dodgers
J. quiche eaters
K. movie stars
L. named on the Hollywood blacklists
M. descendants of the Hollywood blacklisted
N. long-haired, dope smoking, maggot infested hippies
O. part of the 400 Historians in defense of the constitution
P. pathological liars
Q. WSI wannabe vets
R. Ku Kux Klan members
S. a Kennedy
T. a Kennedy admirer
U. Jane Fonda defender
V. redvet
W. Tom Hayden
X. John Kerry
Y. Martin Sheen and supporter of A-X.
Z. Choices A-Y and other Democrats not listed above.

Choice Z by a landslide.

> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
>
> Summary of the facts:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9151-2000Jun25
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html
>
> http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...cnn/index.html
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0531-03.htm
>
> http://www.AWOLbush.com
> -=-
> This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.


Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 01:26 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Anonymous the lumpenproletariat tool for all politburos and MoveOn.org
wrote:
>
> What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
>
> The IRA. "I Ran Away."
>
> Yesterday I received a spin-mail that was forwarded from the Republican
> department of mythmaking.
> They were trying to hide Bush minor's absence from Vietnam service as
> an urban legend. I decided to
> go to the original documents to check this out for myself since Michael
> Moore has been using the very
> strong term 'Deserter' for Bush. What did I find?
>
> It turns out that the debate should be on the correct word for Bush:
> Is he a deserter or a coward?


It turns out the debate should be on the correct word for you and
the other agitprop specialists in these newsgroups that are lying
about G.W. Bush and John Kerry. And there is a much larger selection
of choices

Are you (plural):

A. college profs
B. paedophiles and sex tourists banging 8-y.o. Vietnamese girls
C. registered sex offenders
D. Nazis or Hillary Clinton
E. Bolsheviks, communists, socialists
F. Maoists, Viet Cong, Khmer Rouge
G. Clintonistas and other mass media members
H. Choices D-G
I. draft dodgers
J. quiche eaters
K. movie stars
L. named on the Hollywood blacklists
M. descendants of the Hollywood blacklisted
N. long-haired, dope smoking, maggot infested hippies
O. part of the 400 Historians in defense of the constitution
P. pathological liars
Q. WSI wannabe vets
R. Ku Kux Klan members
S. a Kennedy
T. a Kennedy admirer
U. Jane Fonda defender
V. redvet
W. Tom Hayden
X. John Kerry
Y. Martin Sheen and supporter of A-X.
Z. Choices A-Y and other Democrats not listed above.

Choice Z by a landslide.

> Decide for yourself, here are some fair and balanced starting points.
> The raw documents are at:
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
>
> Summary of the facts:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9151-2000Jun25
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html
>
> http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...cnn/index.html
>
> http://users.cis.net/coldfeet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0531-03.htm
>
> http://www.AWOLbush.com
> -=-
> This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.


Charlie Wolf 01-28-2004 02:52 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
<BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:

>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?

Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
everyone got medals.

You are so fucking stupid.
Regards,

snipped...

Charlie Wolf 01-28-2004 02:52 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
<BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:

>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?

Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
everyone got medals.

You are so fucking stupid.
Regards,

snipped...

Brooks Gregory 01-28-2004 03:11 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.


"Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com...
> On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
>
> >What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?
>
> Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
> and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
> everyone got medals.
>
> You are so fucking stupid.
> Regards,
>
> snipped...




Brooks Gregory 01-28-2004 03:11 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.


"Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com...
> On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
>
> >What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?
>
> Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
> and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
> everyone got medals.
>
> You are so fucking stupid.
> Regards,
>
> snipped...




Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:06 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com>,
retiredUSN@noemail.com says...
>
>
>On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
><BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
>
>>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

>You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
>How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?


Simple question. No answer?


Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:06 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com>,
retiredUSN@noemail.com says...
>
>
>On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
><BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
>
>>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

>You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
>How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?


Simple question. No answer?


Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 07:27 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty wrote:
>
> In article <26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com>,
> retiredUSN@noemail.com says...
> >
> >
> >On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> ><BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
> >
> >>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> >You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> >How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?

>
> Simple question. No answer?


Arf! A Gogarty in Dublin? Who woulda thunk it?

Got any Bruffey's or Brophy's up there in Dublin?

Your mission: should you decide to pick yourself off the
floor from your puddle of puke, answer this question.

What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 07:27 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty wrote:
>
> In article <26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com>,
> retiredUSN@noemail.com says...
> >
> >
> >On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> ><BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
> >
> >>What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> >You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> >How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?

>
> Simple question. No answer?


Arf! A Gogarty in Dublin? Who woulda thunk it?

Got any Bruffey's or Brophy's up there in Dublin?

Your mission: should you decide to pick yourself off the
floor from your puddle of puke, answer this question.

What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:31 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...

>
>What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
>Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.


Try again. Simple question. No answer?

And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.


Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:31 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...

>
>What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
>Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.


Try again. Simple question. No answer?

And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.


Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 07:49 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty trolled using domain Dublin.edu:
>
> In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

>
> Try again. Simple question. No answer?
>
> And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.


Try again. Simple question. No answer?

What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.

University of Dublin URL is http://www.ucd.ie/

Please explain your phony e-mail domain.

Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 07:49 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty trolled using domain Dublin.edu:
>
> In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

>
> Try again. Simple question. No answer?
>
> And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.


Try again. Simple question. No answer?

What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.

University of Dublin URL is http://www.ucd.ie/

Please explain your phony e-mail domain.

Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:57 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <401882C8.3451A83@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...

>
>Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.
>

No kidding? Do you remember the Korean War? Before your time, I guess.
My brothers served honorably in the Korean War. Where were you?


Gogarty 01-28-2004 07:57 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <401882C8.3451A83@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...

>
>Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.
>

No kidding? Do you remember the Korean War? Before your time, I guess.
My brothers served honorably in the Korean War. Where were you?


Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 08:05 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty lifted chin from the puddle of puke on the keyboard and wrote:
>
> In article <401882C8.3451A83@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.
> >

> No kidding?


Yes, you moron.

I asked about Vietnam. You answered with Korea.

Now tell us about your phony e-mail domain.

> Do you remember the Korean War?


Yes.

> Before your time, I guess.


Before my time for what?

> My brothers served honorably in the Korean War.


Even a Korean War deserter with a BCD could tell you that
Korea is not Vietnam, moron. Pay attention to your brothers.

> Where were you?


When? When your brothers were in Vietnam? Or when I was in Korea?

Richard Rongstad 01-28-2004 08:05 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Gogarty lifted chin from the puddle of puke on the keyboard and wrote:
>
> In article <401882C8.3451A83@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >Get out your map. Korea is not Vietnam.
> >

> No kidding?


Yes, you moron.

I asked about Vietnam. You answered with Korea.

Now tell us about your phony e-mail domain.

> Do you remember the Korean War?


Yes.

> Before your time, I guess.


Before my time for what?

> My brothers served honorably in the Korean War.


Even a Korean War deserter with a BCD could tell you that
Korea is not Vietnam, moron. Pay attention to your brothers.

> Where were you?


When? When your brothers were in Vietnam? Or when I was in Korea?

Dave Thompson 01-28-2004 10:18 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

>
> Try again. Simple question. No answer?
>
> And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
>


So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar bill
will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born between
1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?

Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.

--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)



Dave Thompson 01-28-2004 10:18 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
>
> >
> >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

>
> Try again. Simple question. No answer?
>
> And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
>


So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar bill
will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born between
1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?

Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.

--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)



redvet 01-28-2004 10:39 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
>
> "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> >
> > >
> > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

> >
> > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> >
> > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> >

>
> So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

bill
> will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

between
> 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
>
> Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
>
> --
> Dave Thompson
> (The Other)

Aloha Don,
Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe that
'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet

U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972

Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit

Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965

Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate dean,
Yale Divinity School/1972

Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed Tom
Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965

Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St. Martin's
Press, 1981)/1972

Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York: Putnam,
1968)/1967 and 1968

Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin; accompanied
both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972

Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty International/1972

Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967 and
1968

Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author (with
Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War (New
York: Random House, 1971)/1969

Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971

Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970

Benson, Sally/ NA/NA

Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to Hanoi:
War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968

Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied Grace
Newman/1966

Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
Haiphong)/1967

Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972

Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
Davis/1967

Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967

Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA

Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in Solidarity
With the Vietnamese/1972

Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
grandfather/1969

Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972

Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971

Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee;
member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967

Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967

Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back to
States/1972

Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970

Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
U.S./1972

Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965

Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
Chicago/NA


Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee; member,
Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
Tribunal/1967

Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972

Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967

Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA

Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice/1971

Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace
and Justice/1971

Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee; leader,
SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; May
Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960

Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the War
in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition
for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal, Stockholm
and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
author/1966 and 1967 and 1972

Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966

Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
filmmaker,Newsreel/1969

Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee to
End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference participant;
Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice/1970

Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike for
Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968

Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969

Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968

Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969

Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
(Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969; vol.
3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972

Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcasting
System/1967

Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
Coordinating Committee,
People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
Antiwar Conference; National
Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970

FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
Little, Brown, 1972)/NA

Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972

Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972

Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970

Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel; co-organizer
with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967 and
1969

Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970

Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968

Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972

Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967

Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972

Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965

Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
NewMobilization; New University
Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
Schurmann/1968

Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966

Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs; SDS;
member, National "Mobe"/1968

Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970

Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972

Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity With
the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972

Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972

Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971

Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972

Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcastin
g System/1967

Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
California, Berkeley/1965

Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
California, Berkeley author, My
Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York: RandonlHouse,
1970)/1972

Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
Churches/1972

Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
Committee, People's
Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
Young Workers'/1970

Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969

Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
1972

King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

Kirby, David/ student/1968

Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970

Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
Richard Ward; former radio
producer/1965

Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971

Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA

Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA

Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
editor, New Republic/1968

Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972

Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
Newsreel/1969

Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA

Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967

Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New "Mobe"/1970

Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerned
About Vietnam; minister/1971

Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA

Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War Crimes
Tribunal/1967

Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972

Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972

Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
America/1972

Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967

Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom Hayden;
editor, Liberation/1965

Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International War
Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967

Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry, International
War Crimes Tribunal/1967

Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
Peace and Justice/1972

McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
Harcourt, Brace, and World,
1968)/1968

McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and Rennie
Davis/1967

McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a Vietnam
veteran/1971

Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW escort;
education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
"Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression; Coordinating
Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968

Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
Vietnam; accompanied Richard
Barnet/1969

Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
"Mobe";organizer, March Against
Death, September 1969/1972

Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
Campaign/1972

Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation; chairman,
Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
Parade Committee/1967

Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
accompanied John Christopher Koch,
Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965

Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972

Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
Commission of Inquiry, International War
Crimes Tribunal/1967

Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
Three Defense Committee/1966

Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969

Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970

Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman, New
Mobilization Committee;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970

Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970

Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970

Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970

Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970

Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971

Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967

Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972

Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
Hayden; SDS/1967

Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970

Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972

Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966

Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got Involved
in Vietnam (Santa
Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970

Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970

Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967

Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
(London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966

Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with Peter
Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Publications,
1968)/1968

Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972

Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972

Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux,
1969)/1968

Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
Giroux, 1969) Committee on
American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970

Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966

Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972

Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970

Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
Ward/1965

Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace; professor,
Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago: University
of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971

Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National Student
Association/1971

Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969

Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of law,
Columbia University; author/1972

Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party; national
chairman,Young Workers
Liberation League/1972

Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972

Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson; freelance
writer/1965

Wefers, Mark/ student/1970

Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968

Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
co-chairperson, National
Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice; Jeannette
Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972

Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970

Westover, Martha/NA/1970

Williams, Robert/NA/1966

Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966

Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for Peace;
vice chairperson, Spring
Mobilization Committee/1967

Woodward, John/ professor/1971

Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator, People's
Coalition forPeace and Justice;
Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett and
Trudi Schutz Young/1970

Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator, Women
Strike for Peace;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; "Mobe";
organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970

Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971

Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
Indochina/1971

Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston: Beacon
Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972



redvet 01-28-2004 10:39 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
>
> "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> >
> > >
> > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.

> >
> > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> >
> > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> >

>
> So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

bill
> will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

between
> 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
>
> Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
>
> --
> Dave Thompson
> (The Other)

Aloha Don,
Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe that
'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet

U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972

Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit

Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965

Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate dean,
Yale Divinity School/1972

Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed Tom
Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965

Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St. Martin's
Press, 1981)/1972

Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York: Putnam,
1968)/1967 and 1968

Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin; accompanied
both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972

Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty International/1972

Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967 and
1968

Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author (with
Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War (New
York: Random House, 1971)/1969

Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971

Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970

Benson, Sally/ NA/NA

Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to Hanoi:
War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968

Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied Grace
Newman/1966

Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
Haiphong)/1967

Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972

Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
Davis/1967

Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967

Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA

Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in Solidarity
With the Vietnamese/1972

Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
grandfather/1969

Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972

Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971

Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee;
member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967

Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967

Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back to
States/1972

Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970

Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
U.S./1972

Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965

Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
Chicago/NA


Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee; member,
Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
Tribunal/1967

Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972

Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967

Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA

Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice/1971

Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace
and Justice/1971

Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee; leader,
SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; May
Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960

Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the War
in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition
for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal, Stockholm
and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
author/1966 and 1967 and 1972

Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966

Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
filmmaker,Newsreel/1969

Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee to
End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference participant;
Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
Justice/1970

Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike for
Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968

Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969

Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968

Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969

Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
(Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969; vol.
3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972

Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcasting
System/1967

Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
Coordinating Committee,
People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
Antiwar Conference; National
Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970

FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
Little, Brown, 1972)/NA

Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972

Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972

Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970

Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel; co-organizer
with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967 and
1969

Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970

Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968

Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972

Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967

Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972

Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965

Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
NewMobilization; New University
Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
Schurmann/1968

Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966

Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs; SDS;
member, National "Mobe"/1968

Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970

Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972

Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity With
the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972

Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972

Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971

Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972

Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcastin
g System/1967

Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
California, Berkeley/1965

Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
California, Berkeley author, My
Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York: RandonlHouse,
1970)/1972

Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
Churches/1972

Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
Committee, People's
Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
Young Workers'/1970

Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969

Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
1972

King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

Kirby, David/ student/1968

Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970

Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
Richard Ward; former radio
producer/1965

Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971

Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA

Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA

Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
editor, New Republic/1968

Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972

Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
Newsreel/1969

Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA

Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967

Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New "Mobe"/1970

Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerned
About Vietnam; minister/1971

Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA

Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War Crimes
Tribunal/1967

Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972

Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972

Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
America/1972

Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967

Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom Hayden;
editor, Liberation/1965

Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International War
Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967

Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry, International
War Crimes Tribunal/1967

Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
Peace and Justice/1972

McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
Harcourt, Brace, and World,
1968)/1968

McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and Rennie
Davis/1967

McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a Vietnam
veteran/1971

Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW escort;
education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
"Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression; Coordinating
Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968

Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
Vietnam; accompanied Richard
Barnet/1969

Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
"Mobe";organizer, March Against
Death, September 1969/1972

Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
Campaign/1972

Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation; chairman,
Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
Parade Committee/1967

Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
accompanied John Christopher Koch,
Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965

Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972

Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
Commission of Inquiry, International War
Crimes Tribunal/1967

Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
Three Defense Committee/1966

Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969

Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970

Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman, New
Mobilization Committee;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970

Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970

Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970

Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970

Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970

Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971

Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967

Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972

Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
Hayden; SDS/1967

Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970

Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972

Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966

Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got Involved
in Vietnam (Santa
Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970

Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970

Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967

Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
(London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966

Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with Peter
Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Publications,
1968)/1968

Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972

Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972

Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux,
1969)/1968

Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
Giroux, 1969) Committee on
American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970

Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966

Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972

Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970

Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
Ward/1965

Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace; professor,
Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago: University
of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971

Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National Student
Association/1971

Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969

Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of law,
Columbia University; author/1972

Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party; national
chairman,Young Workers
Liberation League/1972

Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972

Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson; freelance
writer/1965

Wefers, Mark/ student/1970

Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968

Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
co-chairperson, National
Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice; Jeannette
Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972

Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970

Westover, Martha/NA/1970

Williams, Robert/NA/1966

Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966

Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for Peace;
vice chairperson, Spring
Mobilization Committee/1967

Woodward, John/ professor/1971

Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator, People's
Coalition forPeace and Justice;
Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett and
Trudi Schutz Young/1970

Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator, Women
Strike for Peace;
Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; "Mobe";
organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970

Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971

Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
Indochina/1971

Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston: Beacon
Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972



Dave Thompson 01-28-2004 10:50 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"redvet" <redvet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.
> > >
> > > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> > >
> > > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> > >

> >
> > So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

> bill
> > will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

> between
> > 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
> >
> > Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Thompson
> > (The Other)

> Aloha Don,
> Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

that
> 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet
>
> U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
>


Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
travelers. To what point?

'Gogarty' was railing about GWB's lack of Viet Nam service, not sympathies
with those who were killing and torturing Americans at the time.

Do try to keep up. By the way, it was Dave, not Don. We know there are
just too many Thompson's for you to count without removing your shoes.
--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)



Dave Thompson 01-28-2004 10:50 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 

"redvet" <redvet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.
> > >
> > > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> > >
> > > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> > >

> >
> > So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

> bill
> > will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

> between
> > 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
> >
> > Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Thompson
> > (The Other)

> Aloha Don,
> Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

that
> 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet
>
> U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
>


Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
travelers. To what point?

'Gogarty' was railing about GWB's lack of Viet Nam service, not sympathies
with those who were killing and torturing Americans at the time.

Do try to keep up. By the way, it was Dave, not Don. We know there are
just too many Thompson's for you to count without removing your shoes.
--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)



Richard Rongstad 01-29-2004 12:28 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
redvet posted a list of the usual suspects when he wrote:

(:>)

>
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > >


[snipped mine and Don Thompson's previous remarks]

> Aloha Don,
> Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe that
> 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet


Short list my ass! Great service from redvet the snitch, the most
comprehensive list of the usual suspects that I've ever seen!
What does the complete list look like?

Gogarty needs to shut the fuck up in the case of
usual suspects, but I hope he won't, and he probably won't.

Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Stokeley Carmichael, Gus Hall and
Howard Zinn, and more! Oh kumbaya! redvet has listed
Tom Hayden going to North Vietnam in 1965, 1967, 1969, 1972
and possibly 1968.

Here's my take on this list, by annotations.

Annotated with legends [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
and [Usual suspect(s)]. Stooges and dupes lumped with [Usual
suspect(s)].

> U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
>
> Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit
>
> Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate dean,
> Yale Divinity School/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed Tom
> Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
> Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St. Martin's
> Press, 1981)/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] Tailwind Peter Arnett.

> Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
> Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York: Putnam,
> 1968)/1967 and 1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin; accompanied
> both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty International/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967 and
> 1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author (with
> Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War (New
> York: Random House, 1971)/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Benson, Sally/ NA/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to Hanoi:
> War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied Grace
> Newman/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
> Haiphong)/1967


[Usual suspect(s)] It also appears that Boardman did not deliver medical
supplies
by cyclo or water buffalo to any village south of the DMZ.

> Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
> Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
> Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)] Bob Brown of Soldier of Fortune??? (:>)

> Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in Solidarity
> With the Vietnamese/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
> grandfather/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
> andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee;
> member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back to
> States/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
> Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
> U.S./1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
> Chicago/NA


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
> Coordinating Committee; member,
> Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
> Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
> Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace
> and Justice/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee; leader,
> SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; May
> Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the War
> in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition
> for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal, Stockholm
> and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
> author/1966 and 1967 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
> filmmaker,Newsreel/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee to
> End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference participant;
> Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike for
> Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
> Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
> International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
> (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969; vol.
> 3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcasting
> System/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
> Coordinating Committee,
> People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
> Antiwar Conference; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
> Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
> Little, Brown, 1972)/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel; co-organizer
> with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967 and
> 1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
> Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
> investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
> NewMobilization; New University
> Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
> Schurmann/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
> administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs; SDS;
> member, National "Mobe"/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] This one is frosting on the cake. Gus Hall was on
the Kremlin payroll.

> Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity With
> the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
> Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
> 1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcastin
> g System/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
> California, Berkeley/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
> California, Berkeley author, My
> Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York: RandonlHouse,
> 1970)/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
> Churches/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] Seems to National Council of Churches was a
target of KGB infiltration and agitprop.

> Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
> Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
> Young Workers'/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
> Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
> 1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kirby, David/ student/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
> Richard Ward; former radio
> producer/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
> editor, New Republic/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
> Newsreel/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New "Mobe"/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerned
> About Vietnam; minister/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War Crimes
> Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
> America/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom Hayden;
> editor, Liberation/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International War
> Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry, International
> War Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
> Peace and Justice/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
> Harcourt, Brace, and World,
> 1968)/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and Rennie
> Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a Vietnam
> veteran/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW escort;
> education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
> "Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression; Coordinating
> Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
> 1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
> Vietnam; accompanied Richard
> Barnet/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
> "Mobe";organizer, March Against
> Death, September 1969/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
> Campaign/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation; chairman,
> Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
> accompanied John Christopher Koch,
> Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
> Commission of Inquiry, International War
> Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
> Three Defense Committee/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
> author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman, New
> Mobilization Committee;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
> coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
> Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
> accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
> lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
> Hayden; SDS/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
> Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
> 1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got Involved
> in Vietnam (Santa
> Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
> ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
> (London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with Peter
> Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
> The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Publications,
> 1968)/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux,
> 1969)/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
> Giroux, 1969) Committee on
> American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
> Ward/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace; professor,
> Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago: University
> of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National Student
> Association/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of law,
> Columbia University; author/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party; national
> chairman,Young Workers
> Liberation League/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson; freelance
> writer/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Wefers, Mark/ student/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
> co-chairperson, National
> Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice; Jeannette
> Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Westover, Martha/NA/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Williams, Robert/NA/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for Peace;
> vice chairperson, Spring
> Mobilization Committee/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Woodward, John/ professor/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator, People's
> Coalition forPeace and Justice;
> Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett and
> Trudi Schutz Young/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator, Women
> Strike for Peace;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; "Mobe";
> organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
> Indochina/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
> Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston: Beacon
> Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

Richard Rongstad 01-29-2004 12:28 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
redvet posted a list of the usual suspects when he wrote:

(:>)

>
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > >


[snipped mine and Don Thompson's previous remarks]

> Aloha Don,
> Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe that
> 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet


Short list my ass! Great service from redvet the snitch, the most
comprehensive list of the usual suspects that I've ever seen!
What does the complete list look like?

Gogarty needs to shut the fuck up in the case of
usual suspects, but I hope he won't, and he probably won't.

Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Stokeley Carmichael, Gus Hall and
Howard Zinn, and more! Oh kumbaya! redvet has listed
Tom Hayden going to North Vietnam in 1965, 1967, 1969, 1972
and possibly 1968.

Here's my take on this list, by annotations.

Annotated with legends [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
and [Usual suspect(s)]. Stooges and dupes lumped with [Usual
suspect(s)].

> U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
>
> Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit
>
> Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate dean,
> Yale Divinity School/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed Tom
> Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
> Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St. Martin's
> Press, 1981)/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] Tailwind Peter Arnett.

> Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
> Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York: Putnam,
> 1968)/1967 and 1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin; accompanied
> both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty International/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967 and
> 1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author (with
> Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War (New
> York: Random House, 1971)/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Benson, Sally/ NA/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to Hanoi:
> War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied Grace
> Newman/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
> Haiphong)/1967


[Usual suspect(s)] It also appears that Boardman did not deliver medical
supplies
by cyclo or water buffalo to any village south of the DMZ.

> Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
> Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
> Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)] Bob Brown of Soldier of Fortune??? (:>)

> Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in Solidarity
> With the Vietnamese/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
> grandfather/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
> andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee;
> member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back to
> States/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
> Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
> U.S./1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
> Chicago/NA


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
> Coordinating Committee; member,
> Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
> Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
> Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace
> and Justice/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee; leader,
> SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; May
> Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the War
> in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition
> for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal, Stockholm
> and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
> author/1966 and 1967 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
> filmmaker,Newsreel/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee to
> End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference participant;
> Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike for
> Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
> Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
> International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
> (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969; vol.
> 3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcasting
> System/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
> Coordinating Committee,
> People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
> Antiwar Conference; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
> Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
> Little, Brown, 1972)/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel; co-organizer
> with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967 and
> 1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
> Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
> investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
> NewMobilization; New University
> Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
> Schurmann/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
> administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs; SDS;
> member, National "Mobe"/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] This one is frosting on the cake. Gus Hall was on
the Kremlin payroll.

> Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity With
> the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
> Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
> 1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian Broadcastin
> g System/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
> California, Berkeley/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
> California, Berkeley author, My
> Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York: RandonlHouse,
> 1970)/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
> Churches/1972


[Usual suspect(s)] Seems to National Council of Churches was a
target of KGB infiltration and agitprop.

> Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
> Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
> Young Workers'/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
> Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
> 1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kirby, David/ student/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
> Richard Ward; former radio
> producer/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
> editor, New Republic/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
> Newsreel/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New "Mobe"/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerned
> About Vietnam; minister/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War Crimes
> Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
> America/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom Hayden;
> editor, Liberation/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International War
> Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry, International
> War Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
> Peace and Justice/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
> Harcourt, Brace, and World,
> 1968)/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and Rennie
> Davis/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a Vietnam
> veteran/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW escort;
> education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
> "Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression; Coordinating
> Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
> 1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
> Vietnam; accompanied Richard
> Barnet/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
> "Mobe";organizer, March Against
> Death, September 1969/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
> Campaign/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation; chairman,
> Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
> accompanied John Christopher Koch,
> Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
> Commission of Inquiry, International War
> Crimes Tribunal/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
> Three Defense Committee/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
> author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman, New
> Mobilization Committee;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
> coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
> Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
> accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
> lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
> Hayden; SDS/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
> Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
> 1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got Involved
> in Vietnam (Santa
> Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
> ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
> (London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with Peter
> Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
> The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Publications,
> 1968)/1968


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux,
> 1969)/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
> Giroux, 1969) Committee on
> American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
> Ward/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace; professor,
> Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago: University
> of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National Student
> Association/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of law,
> Columbia University; author/1972


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party; national
> chairman,Young Workers
> Liberation League/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson; freelance
> writer/1965


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Wefers, Mark/ student/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
> co-chairperson, National
> Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice; Jeannette
> Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Westover, Martha/NA/1970


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Williams, Robert/NA/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for Peace;
> vice chairperson, Spring
> Mobilization Committee/1967


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Woodward, John/ professor/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator, People's
> Coalition forPeace and Justice;
> Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett and
> Trudi Schutz Young/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator, Women
> Strike for Peace;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; "Mobe";
> organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971


[Usual suspect(s)]

> Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
> Indochina/1971


[Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]

> Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
> Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston: Beacon
> Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972


[Usual suspect(s)]

Richard Rongstad 01-29-2004 12:33 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Dave Thompson wrote:
>
> "redvet" <redvet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:101halqt44mu1a0@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> > news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> > >
> > > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > > > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.
> > > >
> > > > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> > > >
> > > > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

> > bill
> > > will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

> > between
> > > 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
> > >
> > > Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Thompson
> > > (The Other)

> > Aloha Don,
> > Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

> that
> > 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet
> >
> > U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
> >

>
> Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> travelers. To what point?
>
> 'Gogarty' was railing about GWB's lack of Viet Nam service, not sympathies
> with those who were killing and torturing Americans at the time.
>
> Do try to keep up. By the way, it was Dave, not Don. We know there are
> just too many Thompson's for you to count without removing your shoes.
> --
> Dave Thompson
> (The Other)



Hey Dave (The Other)! Don't let him stop now.

This is a great list of the usual suspects - Tom Hayden, Jane Fondle,
Howard Zinn, Stokely Carmichael, Gus Hall. More fun than reading the
National Enquirer! Probably took it from his own diary.

And for gosh sakes, don't let Gogarty stop, he/she/it is as
much fun as a celebrity idiot.

Richard Rongstad 01-29-2004 12:33 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Dave Thompson wrote:
>
> "redvet" <redvet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:101halqt44mu1a0@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> > news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> > >
> > > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > > > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.
> > > >
> > > > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> > > >
> > > > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

> > bill
> > > will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

> > between
> > > 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
> > >
> > > Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Thompson
> > > (The Other)

> > Aloha Don,
> > Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

> that
> > 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet
> >
> > U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
> >

>
> Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> travelers. To what point?
>
> 'Gogarty' was railing about GWB's lack of Viet Nam service, not sympathies
> with those who were killing and torturing Americans at the time.
>
> Do try to keep up. By the way, it was Dave, not Don. We know there are
> just too many Thompson's for you to count without removing your shoes.
> --
> Dave Thompson
> (The Other)



Hey Dave (The Other)! Don't let him stop now.

This is a great list of the usual suspects - Tom Hayden, Jane Fondle,
Howard Zinn, Stokely Carmichael, Gus Hall. More fun than reading the
National Enquirer! Probably took it from his own diary.

And for gosh sakes, don't let Gogarty stop, he/she/it is as
much fun as a celebrity idiot.

Harry Grogan 01-29-2004 04:11 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<FkXRb.6927189$Of.1104960@news.easynews.com>. ..
> Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.
>
>


Everybody that served in Vietnam received the Vietnam service
ribbon,even a REMF like Alpha Gore.


> "Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com...
> > On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> > <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
> >
> > >What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> > You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> > How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?
> >
> > Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
> > and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
> > everyone got medals.
> >
> > You are so fucking stupid.
> > Regards,
> >
> > snipped...


Harry Grogan 01-29-2004 04:11 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<FkXRb.6927189$Of.1104960@news.easynews.com>. ..
> Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.
>
>


Everybody that served in Vietnam received the Vietnam service
ribbon,even a REMF like Alpha Gore.


> "Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:26fg10prs6h41oo153sitmhmcl7raq4j43@4ax.com...
> > On 28 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0000, Anonymous
> > <BigappleRemailer@Optonline.Net> wrote:
> >
> > >What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?

> > You are really stupid. What medal did you get? Did you even serve?
> > How do we know that - you post using an anon remailer?
> >
> > Not everyone that served during Vietnam - and GWB DID serve honorably
> > and was honorably discharged - not everyone went to Vietnam. Not
> > everyone got medals.
> >
> > You are so fucking stupid.
> > Regards,
> >
> > snipped...


Nigel Brooks˛°°4© 01-29-2004 06:34 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
news:432Sb.8391$QJ3.3258@fed1read04...
>
> Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> travelers. To what point?


Old red really needs to change his name to something more appropriate. His
bullshit macho posturing of being "redvet" and belonging to the Vietnam
Veterans Against the War - Anti Imperialist/Mao/Marxist-Leninist/Red
Brigade/Bader Meinhoff/ Red Army/Mickey Mouse Faction is ridiculous.

If those folks ever took over - he would shit in his pants and would be the
first they would consign to their gulag.

A more appropriate net nomdeguerre for him (or her as the case may be)
should be dopervet or loservet or even badconductdischargevet

Nigel Brooks



Nigel Brooks˛°°4© 01-29-2004 06:34 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
"Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
news:432Sb.8391$QJ3.3258@fed1read04...
>
> Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> travelers. To what point?


Old red really needs to change his name to something more appropriate. His
bullshit macho posturing of being "redvet" and belonging to the Vietnam
Veterans Against the War - Anti Imperialist/Mao/Marxist-Leninist/Red
Brigade/Bader Meinhoff/ Red Army/Mickey Mouse Faction is ridiculous.

If those folks ever took over - he would shit in his pants and would be the
first they would consign to their gulag.

A more appropriate net nomdeguerre for him (or her as the case may be)
should be dopervet or loservet or even badconductdischargevet

Nigel Brooks



Gogarty 01-29-2004 06:45 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <1bdd8f88.0401290411.7018828d@posting.google.com >,
maynardgkrebbs2001@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
>news:<FkXRb.6927189$Of.1104960@news.easynews.com> ...
>> Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.
>>
>>

>
> Everybody that served in Vietnam received the Vietnam service
>ribbon,even a REMF like Alpha Gore.
>

Never mind that. Consider Regan's glorious campaign against Grenada. The
military gave out so many medals it became a scandal.

Oh, and by the way, one of my brothers did serve in Vietnam also.

Did Bush receive even a service ribbon?


Gogarty 01-29-2004 06:45 AM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
In article <1bdd8f88.0401290411.7018828d@posting.google.com >,
maynardgkrebbs2001@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
>news:<FkXRb.6927189$Of.1104960@news.easynews.com> ...
>> Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.
>>
>>

>
> Everybody that served in Vietnam received the Vietnam service
>ribbon,even a REMF like Alpha Gore.
>

Never mind that. Consider Regan's glorious campaign against Grenada. The
military gave out so many medals it became a scandal.

Oh, and by the way, one of my brothers did serve in Vietnam also.

Did Bush receive even a service ribbon?


BillyBop 01-29-2004 06:47 AM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 

"Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
news:dsydncN30tHzgYTdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> In article <1bdd8f88.0401290411.7018828d@posting.google.com >,
> maynardgkrebbs2001@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
> >news:<FkXRb.6927189$Of.1104960@news.easynews.com> ...
> >> Al Gore got a ribbon but not the medal.
> >>
> >>

> >
> > Everybody that served in Vietnam received the Vietnam service
> >ribbon,even a REMF like Alpha Gore.
> >

> Never mind that. Consider Regan's glorious campaign against Grenada. The
> military gave out so many medals it became a scandal.
>
> Oh, and by the way, one of my brothers did serve in Vietnam also.
>
> Did Bush receive even a service ribbon?



Did Bush become a "war protestor" traitor against his own country, like
Kerry did?




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