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JASON A. KAATZ 01-29-2004 01:25 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Peter traveled to N. Nam with Cora. I wonder if Cora recruited him into the
KGB. Oh Yes, Herbert, one of the last guys to speak to Oswald before he
shot JFK. Was it Adams who was a turncoat who went over to the communist
during the Korea War ? Oh yes. Cleaver a god dam communist terrorist who
should have got the electric chair. Interesting list of a collection of
human garbage, friends of yours redvet. I find it interesting that the
blackmailer of the wives of American POWs accompanied Peter. With Peter on
the list does that make them upon scale human garbage.
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"redvet" <redvet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >What Irish citizens got medals for Vietnam service? Name them.
> > > >Make a list of their names. Organize by service and pay grade.
> > >
> > > Try again. Simple question. No answer?
> > >
> > > And oh yeah, my brothers for two, Korea.
> > >

> >
> > So what? I served in Viet Nam twice and Korea once. That and a dollar

> bill
> > will buy a cup of coffee. The GREAT majority of American males born

> between
> > 1940 and 1950 did not go to Viet Nam. So what?
> >
> > Most importantly, when were YOU in Viet Nam? If not, shut the fuck up.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Thompson
> > (The Other)

> Aloha Don,
> Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

that
> 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet
>
> U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
>
> Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit
>
> Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965
>
> Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate

dean,
> Yale Divinity School/1972
>
> Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed Tom
> Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965
>
> Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
> Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St.

Martin's
> Press, 1981)/1972
>
> Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
> Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York:

Putnam,
> 1968)/1967 and 1968
>
> Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin; accompanied
> both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972
>
> Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty International/1972
>
> Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967 and
> 1968
>
> Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author (with
> Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War

(New
> York: Random House, 1971)/1969
>
> Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971
>
> Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970
>
> Benson, Sally/ NA/NA
>
> Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to Hanoi:
> War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968
>
> Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied Grace
> Newman/1966
>
> Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970
>
> Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
> Haiphong)/1967
>
> Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
> Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972
>
> Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970
>
> Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
> Davis/1967
>
> Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967
>
> Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA
>
> Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in

Solidarity
> With the Vietnamese/1972
>
> Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
> grandfather/1969
>
> Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972
>
> Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
> andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971
>
> Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee;
> member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967
>
> Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967
>
> Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back to
> States/1972
>
> Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
> Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970
>
> Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
> U.S./1972
>
> Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965
>
> Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970
>
> Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
> Chicago/NA
>
>
> Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
> Coordinating Committee; member,
> Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
> Tribunal/1967
>
> Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
> Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972
>
> Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967
>
> Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA
>
> Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1971
>
> Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace
> and Justice/1971
>
> Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee; leader,
> SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; May
> Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960
>
> Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the War
> in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition
> for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal, Stockholm
> and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
> author/1966 and 1967 and 1972
>
> Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966
>
> Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
> filmmaker,Newsreel/1969
>
> Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee

to
> End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference participant;
> Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> Justice/1970
>
> Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967
>
> Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike

for
> Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
> Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968
>
> Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969
>
> Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967
>
> Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967
>
> Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968
>
> Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969
>
> Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
> International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
> (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969; vol.
> 3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972
>
> Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcasting
> System/1967
>
> Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967
>
> Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
> Coordinating Committee,
> People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
> Antiwar Conference; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970
>
> FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
> Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
> Little, Brown, 1972)/NA
>
> Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972
>
> Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972
>
> Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970
>
> Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel;

co-organizer
> with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967

and
> 1969
>
> Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970
>
> Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968
>
> Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972
>
> Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
> Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
> investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967
>
> Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972
>
> Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965
>
> Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
> NewMobilization; New University
> Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
> Schurmann/1968
>
> Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
> administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966
>
> Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs; SDS;
> member, National "Mobe"/1968
>
> Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970
>
> Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972
>
> Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity

With
> the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972
>
> Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972
>
> Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971
>
> Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
> Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
> 1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972
>
> Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcastin
> g System/1967
>
> Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
> California, Berkeley/1965
>
> Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
> California, Berkeley author, My
> Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York: RandonlHouse,
> 1970)/1972
>
> Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
> Churches/1972
>
> Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
> Committee, People's
> Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
> Young Workers'/1970
>
> Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
> Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969
>
> Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
> 1972
>
> King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge

Cleaver/1970
>
> Kirby, David/ student/1968
>
> Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970
>
> Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
> Richard Ward; former radio
> producer/1965
>
> Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971
>
> Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA
>
> Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA
>
> Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
> editor, New Republic/1968
>
> Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972
>
> Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
> Newsreel/1969
>
> Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA
>
> Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967
>
> Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New "Mobe"/1970
>
> Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerned
> About Vietnam; minister/1971
>
> Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965
>
> Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA
>
> Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War

Crimes
> Tribunal/1967
>
> Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972
>
> Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972
>
> Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
> America/1972
>
> Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967
>
> Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom

Hayden;
> editor, Liberation/1965
>
> Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International War
> Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967
>
> Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry, International
> War Crimes Tribunal/1967
>
> Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967
>
> Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
> Peace and Justice/1972
>
> McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
> Harcourt, Brace, and World,
> 1968)/1968
>
> McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and Rennie
> Davis/1967
>
> McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a

Vietnam
> veteran/1971
>
> Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW escort;
> education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
> "Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression;

Coordinating
> Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
> 1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968
>
> Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
> Vietnam; accompanied Richard
> Barnet/1969
>
> Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
> "Mobe";organizer, March Against
> Death, September 1969/1972
>
> Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
> Campaign/1972
>
> Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation;

chairman,
> Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> Parade Committee/1967
>
> Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
> accompanied John Christopher Koch,
> Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965
>
> Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972
>
> Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
> Commission of Inquiry, International War
> Crimes Tribunal/1967
>
> Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
> Three Defense Committee/1966
>
> Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
> author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969
>
> Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970
>
> Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman, New
> Mobilization Committee;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
> coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
> Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970
>
> Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
> accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970
>
> Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970
>
> Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970
>
> Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970
>
> Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971
>
> Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967
>
> Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
> lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972
>
> Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
> Hayden; SDS/1967
>
> Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970
>
> Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972
>
> Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965
>
> Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
> Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
> 1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966
>
> Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got

Involved
> in Vietnam (Santa
> Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970
>
> Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965
>
> Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970
>
> Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967
>
> Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
> ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
> (London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966
>
> Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with Peter
> Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
> The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett

Publications,
> 1968)/1968
>
> Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972
>
> Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972
>
> Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and

Giroux,
> 1969)/1968
>
> Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
> Giroux, 1969) Committee on
> American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970
>
> Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966
>
> Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972
>
> Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970
>
> Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
> Ward/1965
>
> Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace; professor,
> Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago:

University
> of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971
>
> Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National

Student
> Association/1971
>
> Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969
>
> Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of law,
> Columbia University; author/1972
>
> Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party; national
> chairman,Young Workers
> Liberation League/1972
>
> Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972
>
> Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson;

freelance
> writer/1965
>
> Wefers, Mark/ student/1970
>
> Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968
>
> Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
> co-chairperson, National
> Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice; Jeannette
> Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972
>
> Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970
>
> Westover, Martha/NA/1970
>
> Williams, Robert/NA/1966
>
> Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966
>
> Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for

Peace;
> vice chairperson, Spring
> Mobilization Committee/1967
>
> Woodward, John/ professor/1971
>
> Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator, People's
> Coalition forPeace and Justice;
> Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
> Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett

and
> Trudi Schutz Young/1970
>
> Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator, Women
> Strike for Peace;
> Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; "Mobe";
> organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970
>
> Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967
>
> Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971
>
> Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
> Indochina/1971
>
> Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
> Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston: Beacon
> Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972
>
>




Rita 01-29-2004 01:30 PM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 

"InsuranceBroker" <insurancenj@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
> >From: Stuart Grey stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net
> >Date: 1/29/2004 1:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <Xns947F6DF214D7Bstuartgreynospamcomc@204.127.199. 17>
> >
> >"BillyBop" <BillyB@AccessUSA.net> wrote in news:Z19Sb.50137$U%5.268626
> >@attbi_s03:
> >
> >>
> >> "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:dsydncN30tHzgYTdRVn-hA@bway.net...

> >
> >< Snip >
> >
> >>> Did Bush receive even a service ribbon?
> >>
> >>
> >> Did Bush become a "war protestor" traitor against his own country, like
> >> Kerry did?

> >
> >I think Gogarty means that service ribbon that Kerry flung at the

capital,
> >screaming something about take it back, and then mysteriously appears on
> >Sen. Kerry's wall after he was done marching with Communist party leader
> >Angela Davis in support of Cuba, North Korea, and North Viet Nam.

>
> You clearly are clueless on the matter of military awards. YOu can buy

the
> ribbons in the PX. YOu are awarded the right to ware the ribbon. You

also
> have the right to use them as you wish. It is amazing that you would try

to
> belittle a person for exercising his constitutional right to free speech.


It's also amazing that you do not understand that people have a
constitutional right to complain about the actions of anyone. It falls under
the "free speech" catagory. He practiced his free speech by throwing someone
else's medals over a fence. He stood with those who smeared his fellow
veterans as "baby killers." He now proudly displays his medals, and touts
himself as a war hero. My right to free speech can express an opinion of him
as being something on the level of pig vomit.

So there it is.

Rita


I
> guess you fail to see the difference from a slacker who did not go and an
> honorable person who protests after he did his duty.
> Why do you hate the US constitution?
>
>
> >
> >Benedict Arnold had distinguished service also, right up until the time

he
> >turned traitor.

>
> Had Benedict Arnold not become a traitor he propably would have ranked up

with
> Washington. He served so honorable and why suddenly the change at the

very end
> is amazing.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
> Doing Insurance business in the Garden State




Rita 01-29-2004 01:30 PM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 

"InsuranceBroker" <insurancenj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040129140907.11350.00000911@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
> >From: Stuart Grey stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net
> >Date: 1/29/2004 1:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <Xns947F6DF214D7Bstuartgreynospamcomc@204.127.199. 17>
> >
> >"BillyBop" <BillyB@AccessUSA.net> wrote in news:Z19Sb.50137$U%5.268626
> >@attbi_s03:
> >
> >>
> >> "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:dsydncN30tHzgYTdRVn-hA@bway.net...

> >
> >< Snip >
> >
> >>> Did Bush receive even a service ribbon?
> >>
> >>
> >> Did Bush become a "war protestor" traitor against his own country, like
> >> Kerry did?

> >
> >I think Gogarty means that service ribbon that Kerry flung at the

capital,
> >screaming something about take it back, and then mysteriously appears on
> >Sen. Kerry's wall after he was done marching with Communist party leader
> >Angela Davis in support of Cuba, North Korea, and North Viet Nam.

>
> You clearly are clueless on the matter of military awards. YOu can buy

the
> ribbons in the PX. YOu are awarded the right to ware the ribbon. You

also
> have the right to use them as you wish. It is amazing that you would try

to
> belittle a person for exercising his constitutional right to free speech.


It's also amazing that you do not understand that people have a
constitutional right to complain about the actions of anyone. It falls under
the "free speech" catagory. He practiced his free speech by throwing someone
else's medals over a fence. He stood with those who smeared his fellow
veterans as "baby killers." He now proudly displays his medals, and touts
himself as a war hero. My right to free speech can express an opinion of him
as being something on the level of pig vomit.

So there it is.

Rita


I
> guess you fail to see the difference from a slacker who did not go and an
> honorable person who protests after he did his duty.
> Why do you hate the US constitution?
>
>
> >
> >Benedict Arnold had distinguished service also, right up until the time

he
> >turned traitor.

>
> Had Benedict Arnold not become a traitor he propably would have ranked up

with
> Washington. He served so honorable and why suddenly the change at the

very end
> is amazing.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
> Doing Insurance business in the Garden State




Charlie Wolf 01-29-2004 01:45 PM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:46:00 -0500, "Chas Hurst" <hurst1@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message

snipped..
>Your insults do little to convince anyone of your intelligence and actually
>bring discredit to the other Republicans posting here. My final comment to
>your bullshit is you don't know your ass from a warm rock.

Sounds to me like a liberal way of admitting that you're a lying piece
of shit.
Regards,



Charlie Wolf 01-29-2004 01:45 PM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:46:00 -0500, "Chas Hurst" <hurst1@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message

snipped..
>Your insults do little to convince anyone of your intelligence and actually
>bring discredit to the other Republicans posting here. My final comment to
>your bullshit is you don't know your ass from a warm rock.

Sounds to me like a liberal way of admitting that you're a lying piece
of shit.
Regards,



JASON A. KAATZ 01-29-2004 01:50 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
More than just a laundry list - some real bad eggs on that list. All
friends of Burchett, more than likely they were met by Burchett upon arrival
in Hanoi
when he wasn't interrogating American POWs, he was handling internal
security for the North Vietnamese. Weiss was Burchett's associate. Burchett
was wanted by the British, Australians and the U.S. in connection with
beating and helping the North Korean's interrogate POWs in North Korean
camps. However, Burchett did have unlimited access to American POWs in
North Vietnam and South Vietnam in later years. Cora failed to account for
some 5,000 pcs of mail over the year from Hanoi to the families of POWs from
their husbands who had to sustain the brutality of the barbaric savages who
handled POWs in Hanoi and throughout the North. I have long suspected that
Burchett also brutalized American POWs in North Vietnamese camps as well.
Also, noteworthy is that Burchett was known to travel on a Cuban passport.
Perhaps its time for good old Peter got dragged kicking and screaming before
a Federal Grand Jury and asked some hard questions about the fate of
American POWs. Its time for Donna to get out of bed and start kicking a few
doors down at CNN and asking king Peter some real hard questions. Cora is
also a close friend of Hillary Clinton -- Hillary paid a visit to Cora just
around the time the Clintons vacated the White House while in Europe.
Nigel, it would seem that Pinky is not just a doper, he is a high class
doper -- were all of these people friends of yours pinky ?


"Nigel Brooks˛°°4©" <nbrooksmsn.com> wrote in message
news:bvb5l5$qkgkc$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:432Sb.8391$QJ3.3258@fed1read04...
> >
> > Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> > travelers. To what point?

>
> Old red really needs to change his name to something more appropriate.

His
> bullshit macho posturing of being "redvet" and belonging to the Vietnam
> Veterans Against the War - Anti Imperialist/Mao/Marxist-Leninist/Red
> Brigade/Bader Meinhoff/ Red Army/Mickey Mouse Faction is ridiculous.
>
> If those folks ever took over - he would shit in his pants and would be

the
> first they would consign to their gulag.
>
> A more appropriate net nomdeguerre for him (or her as the case may be)
> should be dopervet or loservet or even badconductdischargevet
>
> Nigel Brooks
>
>




JASON A. KAATZ 01-29-2004 01:50 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
More than just a laundry list - some real bad eggs on that list. All
friends of Burchett, more than likely they were met by Burchett upon arrival
in Hanoi
when he wasn't interrogating American POWs, he was handling internal
security for the North Vietnamese. Weiss was Burchett's associate. Burchett
was wanted by the British, Australians and the U.S. in connection with
beating and helping the North Korean's interrogate POWs in North Korean
camps. However, Burchett did have unlimited access to American POWs in
North Vietnam and South Vietnam in later years. Cora failed to account for
some 5,000 pcs of mail over the year from Hanoi to the families of POWs from
their husbands who had to sustain the brutality of the barbaric savages who
handled POWs in Hanoi and throughout the North. I have long suspected that
Burchett also brutalized American POWs in North Vietnamese camps as well.
Also, noteworthy is that Burchett was known to travel on a Cuban passport.
Perhaps its time for good old Peter got dragged kicking and screaming before
a Federal Grand Jury and asked some hard questions about the fate of
American POWs. Its time for Donna to get out of bed and start kicking a few
doors down at CNN and asking king Peter some real hard questions. Cora is
also a close friend of Hillary Clinton -- Hillary paid a visit to Cora just
around the time the Clintons vacated the White House while in Europe.
Nigel, it would seem that Pinky is not just a doper, he is a high class
doper -- were all of these people friends of yours pinky ?


"Nigel Brooks˛°°4©" <nbrooksmsn.com> wrote in message
news:bvb5l5$qkgkc$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> news:432Sb.8391$QJ3.3258@fed1read04...
> >
> > Pinky regurgitated a laundry list of communists, peaceniks and fellow
> > travelers. To what point?

>
> Old red really needs to change his name to something more appropriate.

His
> bullshit macho posturing of being "redvet" and belonging to the Vietnam
> Veterans Against the War - Anti Imperialist/Mao/Marxist-Leninist/Red
> Brigade/Bader Meinhoff/ Red Army/Mickey Mouse Faction is ridiculous.
>
> If those folks ever took over - he would shit in his pants and would be

the
> first they would consign to their gulag.
>
> A more appropriate net nomdeguerre for him (or her as the case may be)
> should be dopervet or loservet or even badconductdischargevet
>
> Nigel Brooks
>
>




JASON A. KAATZ 01-29-2004 02:39 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Bill Clinton was a member of the National Mobilization Committee, was the
key advocate of cutting off of funds to the South Vietnamese military and
the supply pipeline in terms of logistical support. I believe he was working
for a Senator at the while going to GW Univ.

IPS was front for the KGB and Cuban DGI. Of late they have been busy
transferring funds to Arafat under the guise of Ford Foundation grants.

I believe Adams returned to the U.S. and died some years back. Check the
list of American POWs who did not return from Korean war.
-----------------------


"Richard Rongstad" <rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com> wrote in message
news:4018C441.8B627B96@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com...
> redvet posted a list of the usual suspects when he wrote:
>
> (:>)
>
> >
> > "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> > news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> > >
> > > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > > >

>
> [snipped mine and Don Thompson's previous remarks]
>
> > Aloha Don,
> > Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

that
> > 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet

>
> Short list my ass! Great service from redvet the snitch, the most
> comprehensive list of the usual suspects that I've ever seen!
> What does the complete list look like?
>
> Gogarty needs to shut the fuck up in the case of
> usual suspects, but I hope he won't, and he probably won't.
>
> Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Stokeley Carmichael, Gus Hall and
> Howard Zinn, and more! Oh kumbaya! redvet has listed
> Tom Hayden going to North Vietnam in 1965, 1967, 1969, 1972
> and possibly 1968.
>
> Here's my take on this list, by annotations.
>
> Annotated with legends [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
> and [Usual suspect(s)]. Stooges and dupes lumped with [Usual
> suspect(s)].
>
> > U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
> >
> > Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit
> >
> > Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate

dean,
> > Yale Divinity School/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed

Tom
> > Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
> > Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St.

Martin's
> > Press, 1981)/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Tailwind Peter Arnett.
>
> > Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
> > Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York:

Putnam,
> > 1968)/1967 and 1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin;

accompanied
> > both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty

International/1972
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967

and
> > 1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author

(with
> > Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War

(New
> > York: Random House, 1971)/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Benson, Sally/ NA/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to

Hanoi:
> > War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied

Grace
> > Newman/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
> > Haiphong)/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] It also appears that Boardman did not deliver medical
> supplies
> by cyclo or water buffalo to any village south of the DMZ.
>
> > Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
> > Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
> > Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Bob Brown of Soldier of Fortune??? (:>)
>
> > Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in

Solidarity
> > With the Vietnamese/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
> > grandfather/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace

and
> > Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
> > andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating

Committee;
> > member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back

to
> > States/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
> > Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
> > U.S./1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
> > Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
> > Chicago/NA

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
> > Coordinating Committee; member,
> > Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
> > Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
> > Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> > Justice/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for

Peace
> > and Justice/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee;

leader,
> > SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;

May
> > Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> > Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the

War
> > in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's

Coalition
> > for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal,

Stockholm
> > and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> > Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
> > author/1966 and 1967 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
> > filmmaker,Newsreel/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee

to
> > End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference

participant;
> > Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> > Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> > Justice/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike

for
> > Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
> > Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
> > International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
> > (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969;

vol.
> > 3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcasting
> > System/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
> > Coordinating Committee,
> > People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
> > Antiwar Conference; National
> > Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
> > Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
> > Little, Brown, 1972)/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel;

co-organizer
> > with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967

and
> > 1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
> > Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
> > investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
> > NewMobilization; New University
> > Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
> > Schurmann/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
> > administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs;

SDS;
> > member, National "Mobe"/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] This one is frosting on the cake. Gus Hall was on
> the Kremlin payroll.
>
> > Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity

With
> > the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
> > Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
> > 1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcastin
> > g System/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
> > California, Berkeley/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
> > California, Berkeley author, My
> > Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York:

RandonlHouse,
> > 1970)/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
> > Churches/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Seems to National Council of Churches was a
> target of KGB infiltration and agitprop.
>
> > Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
> > Committee, People's
> > Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
> > Young Workers'/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
> > Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
> > 1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge

Cleaver/1970
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kirby, David/ student/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
> > Richard Ward; former radio
> > producer/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
> > editor, New Republic/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
> > Newsreel/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New

"Mobe"/1970
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerne

d
> > About Vietnam; minister/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War

Crimes
> > Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
> > America/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom

Hayden;
> > editor, Liberation/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International

War
> > Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry,

International
> > War Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
> > Peace and Justice/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
> > Harcourt, Brace, and World,
> > 1968)/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and

Rennie
> > Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a

Vietnam
> > veteran/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW

escort;
> > education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
> > "Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression;

Coordinating
> > Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
> > 1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
> > Vietnam; accompanied Richard
> > Barnet/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
> > "Mobe";organizer, March Against
> > Death, September 1969/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
> > Campaign/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation;

chairman,
> > Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> > Parade Committee/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
> > accompanied John Christopher Koch,
> > Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
> > Commission of Inquiry, International War
> > Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
> > Three Defense Committee/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
> > author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman,

New
> > Mobilization Committee;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
> > coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> > National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
> > Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
> > accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
> > lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
> > Hayden; SDS/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
> > Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
> > 1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got

Involved
> > in Vietnam (Santa
> > Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
> > ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
> > (London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with

Peter
> > Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
> > The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett

Publications,
> > 1968)/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and

Giroux,
> > 1969)/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
> > Giroux, 1969) Committee on
> > American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
> > Ward/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace;

professor,
> > Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago:

University
> > of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National

Student
> > Association/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of

law,
> > Columbia University; author/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party;

national
> > chairman,Young Workers
> > Liberation League/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson;

freelance
> > writer/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Wefers, Mark/ student/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
> > co-chairperson, National
> > Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice;

Jeannette
> > Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Westover, Martha/NA/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Williams, Robert/NA/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for

Peace;
> > vice chairperson, Spring
> > Mobilization Committee/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Woodward, John/ professor/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator,

People's
> > Coalition forPeace and Justice;
> > Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
> > Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett

and
> > Trudi Schutz Young/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator,

Women
> > Strike for Peace;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;

"Mobe";
> > organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
> > Indochina/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
> > Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston:

Beacon
> > Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]




JASON A. KAATZ 01-29-2004 02:39 PM

Re: What medal did George W. Bush get for his Vietnam service?
 
Bill Clinton was a member of the National Mobilization Committee, was the
key advocate of cutting off of funds to the South Vietnamese military and
the supply pipeline in terms of logistical support. I believe he was working
for a Senator at the while going to GW Univ.

IPS was front for the KGB and Cuban DGI. Of late they have been busy
transferring funds to Arafat under the guise of Ford Foundation grants.

I believe Adams returned to the U.S. and died some years back. Check the
list of American POWs who did not return from Korean war.
-----------------------


"Richard Rongstad" <rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com> wrote in message
news:4018C441.8B627B96@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com...
> redvet posted a list of the usual suspects when he wrote:
>
> (:>)
>
> >
> > "Dave Thompson" <davethompson@askforit.net> wrote in message
> > news:xA1Sb.8307$QJ3.3455@fed1read04...
> > >
> > > "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Dublin.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:_dKdnVKG5dYS44XdRVn-hA@bway.net...
> > > > In article <40187DB4.B3D87E54@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com>,
> > > > rongstad@NOSPAMvikingphoenix.com says...
> > > >

>
> [snipped mine and Don Thompson's previous remarks]
>
> > Aloha Don,
> > Here a short list of some who were in Vietnam and no doubt believe

that
> > 'Gogarty' doesn't need to "shut the fuck up" - redvet

>
> Short list my ass! Great service from redvet the snitch, the most
> comprehensive list of the usual suspects that I've ever seen!
> What does the complete list look like?
>
> Gogarty needs to shut the fuck up in the case of
> usual suspects, but I hope he won't, and he probably won't.
>
> Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Stokeley Carmichael, Gus Hall and
> Howard Zinn, and more! Oh kumbaya! redvet has listed
> Tom Hayden going to North Vietnam in 1965, 1967, 1969, 1972
> and possibly 1968.
>
> Here's my take on this list, by annotations.
>
> Annotated with legends [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
> and [Usual suspect(s)]. Stooges and dupes lumped with [Usual
> suspect(s)].
>
> > U.S. Citizens Who Traveled to North Vietnam: 1965-1972
> >
> > Name/Affiliation/Year of Visit
> >
> > Adams, Herbert/ NA/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Allen, Rev. Michael/ accompanied Telford Taylor, Joan Baez; associate

dean,
> > Yale Divinity School/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Aptheker, Herbert/ historian; member, U.S. Communist Party; accompamed

Tom
> > Hayden and Staughton Lynd/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Arnett, Peter/ accompanied Cora Weiss; war reporter,author (with Michael
> > Maclear), The Ten Thousand Day War: Vietnam 1945-1975 (NewYork: St.

Martin's
> > Press, 1981)/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Tailwind Peter Arnett.
>
> > Ashmore, Harry S./ journalist; author (with W. C. Baggs), Mission to
> > Hanoi. -A 1968 Chronicle of Double Dealing in High Places (New York:

Putnam,
> > 1968)/1967 and 1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Austin, Jan/ editorial board, Ramparts; editor, War Bulletin;

accompanied
> > both Eldridge Cleaver and Tom Hayden/1970 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Baez, Joan/ accompanied Telford Taylor; singer; Amnesty

International/1972
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Baggs, William C./ editor, Miami News; accompanied Harry Ashmore/ 1967

and
> > 1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Barnet, Richard J./ co-director, Institute for PolicyStudies; author

(with
> > Ralph Stavins and Marcus G. Raskin), Washington Plans an Aggressive War

(New
> > York: Random House, 1971)/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Barrow, Willie/ accompanied Irma Zigas; minister/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bennett, Anne/ accompanied Ronald Young and Trudi Schutz Young/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Benson, Sally/ NA/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Berrigan, Rev. Daniel/ priest; POW escort; author, Night Flight to

Hanoi:
> > War Diary With 11 Poems (New York: Macmillan, 1968)/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bevel, Diane Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; accompanied

Grace
> > Newman/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Blumenfeld, Regina/ accompanied Eldridge Cleaver/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Boardman, Betty/ Quaker activist (delivered medical supplies in ketch to
> > Haiphong)/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] It also appears that Boardman did not deliver medical
> supplies
> by cyclo or water buffalo to any village south of the DMZ.
>
> > Branfman, Fred/ accompanied Susan Miller-Coulter, Tom Hayden, and Howard
> > Zinn-, director, "Project Air War"/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Elaine/ vice minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Rev. John/ Episcopal priest; accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie
> > Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Brown, Robert/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Bob Brown of Soldier of Fortune??? (:>)
>
> > Burrows, Vinnie/ actress; poet/NA

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Bury, Rev. Harry/ priest; International Assembly of Christians in

Solidarity
> > With the Vietnamese/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Butterfield, Fox/ reporter, New York Times; accompanied Cyrus Eaton, his
> > grandfather/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Caldwell, Clifton/ vice president, Meat Cutters Union/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Camp, Katherine/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace

and
> > Justice; national chairwoman, Women's International League for Peace
> > andFreedom; Steering Committee, New Mobilization ("Mobe")/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Carmichael, Stokely/ chairman, Student Nonviolent Coordinating

Committee;
> > member, International War CrimesTribunal,1967/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Champney, Horace/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix 1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Charles, Olga/ wife of POW Lt. Norris Charles; accompanied husband back

to
> > States/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Chomsky, Noam/ professor, MIT; accompanied Douglas Dowd and Richard
> > Fernandez; principal organizer, Resist/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clark, Ramsey/ former U.S. attorney general; Amnesty International,
> > U.S./1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clarke, Mary Women Strike for Peace; Coordinating Committee, People's
> > Coalition for Peace and Justice/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Cleaver, Eldridge/ minister of information, Black Panther Party/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Clement, Marilyn/ accompanied woman associated with Operation Push,
> > Chicago/NA

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Cobb, Charles/ accompanied Julius Lester; member Student Nonviolent
> > Coordinating Committee; member,
> > Commission of Inquiry to North Vietnam, International War Crimes
> > Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Coffin, Rev. William Sloane/ chaplain, Yale University; POW escort;
> > Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Collingwood, Charles/ CBS News reporter/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Collins, Judy/ folksinger/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Cook, Terrie/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> > Justice/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Craven, Joseph (Jay)/ Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for

Peace
> > and Justice/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Davis, Rennie/ project director, National Mobilization Committee;

leader,
> > SDS; Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;

May
> > Day Collective; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> > Conference; POW escort/1967 and 1960

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Dellinger, David/ chairman, National Mobilization Committee to End the

War
> > in Vietnam; editor,Liberation; Coordinating Committee, People's

Coalition
> > for Peace and Justice; POW escort; member, War Crimes Tribunal,

Stockholm
> > and Copenhagen, 1967; Committee of Liaison; Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> > Parade Committee; Steering Committee,1969, National Antiwar Conference;
> > author/1966 and 1967 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Deming, Barbara/ editorial board, Liberation magazine/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Douglas, John/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs;
> > filmmaker,Newsreel/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Dowd, Douglas/ professor, Cornell University; New Mobilization Committee

to
> > End the War in Vietnam ("Mobe"); New Universities' Conference

participant;
> > Resist; Steering Committee, National Antiwar
> > Conference Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and
> > Justice/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Drath, Phillip/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Duckles, Madeline/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Ethel Taylor; Women Strike

for
> > Peace; member, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Eaton,
> > Anne accompanied husband, Cyrus 1969/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Eaton, Cyrus/ 86-year-old Cleveland industrialist/1969

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Eaton, Robert/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Egleson, Nicholas/ president, SDS; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Elder, Joseph/ American Friends Service Committee/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Evans, Linda/ member, SDS/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Falk, Richard/ professor, Princeton University; POW escort; Amnesty
> > International, U.S.; author, The Vietnam War and International Law
> > (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press; vol. 1, 1967; vol.2, 1969;

vol.
> > 3, 1972; and vol. 4, 1976)/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Faun, Richard/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcasting
> > System/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Feinberg, Abraham/ rabbi; accompanied David Dellinger/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fernandez, Richard/ minister; Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam;
> > Coordinating Committee,
> > People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee, National
> > Antiwar Conference; National
> > Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > FitzGerald, Frances/ author, Fire in the Lake: The Vietnamese and the
> > Americans in Vietnam (Boston:
> > Little, Brown, 1972)/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Floyd, Randy/ American Deserters Committee, Sweden/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fonda, Jane/ actress; People's Coalition for Peace and Justice/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Forest, James/ secretary, World Peace Committee/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fruchter, Norman/ SDS; POW escort; founding member of Newsreel;

co-organizer
> > with TomHayden of Newark (New Jersey) CommunityUnion Project (NCUP)/1967

and
> > 1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Froines, Ann/ wife of John Froines, Chicago Seven/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Fulmer, Mark/ student; accompanied David Kirby/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gartley, Minnie Lee/ mother of POW Navy Lt. Mark Gartley/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Gerassi, John/ author, North Vietnam: A Documentary (Indianapolis, IN:
> > Bobbs-Merrill, 1968); member, first
> > investigating team, International War Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gibbons, Harold/ vice president, Teamsters Union/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gordon, Lorraine/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Greenblatt, Robert/ professor, Cornell University; Steering Committee,
> > NewMobilization; New University
> > Conference; accompanied Andrew Kopkind, Susan Sontag, and Franz
> > Schurmann/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Griffith, Patricia/ wife of Cornell University chemistry professor;
> > administrative secretary, Nov. 5-8 "Mobe" Committee/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Grizzard, Vernon/ accompanied Anne Weills, Stewart Meacham, and POWs;

SDS;
> > member, National "Mobe"/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Gumbo, Judith Clavir/ accompanied Nancy Rubin and Genie Plamondon/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hall, Gus/ general secretary, U.S. Communist Party/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] This one is frosting on the cake. Gus Hall was on
> the Kremlin payroll.
>
> > Hamilton, Mary Anne/ International Assembly of Christiansin Solidarity

With
> > the Vietnamese; accompanied Rev. Harry Bury/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hart, Jane/ wife of Sen. Philip A. Hart, Democrat, of Michigan/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hart, John/ reporter, CBS News/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hayden, Tom/ founder, SDS; project director, "Mobe"; author, The Love of
> > Possession Is aDisease With Them (Chicago: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
> > 1972)1965 and 1967 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Heick, William/ accompanied Betty Boardman; employed by Canadian

Broadcastin
> > g System/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Herring, Frances/ accompanied Mary Clarke; professor, University of
> > California, Berkeley/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Hersh, Seymour/ investigative reporter, New York Times; University of
> > California, Berkeley author, My
> > Lai 4. A Report on the Massacre and Its Aftermath (New York:

RandonlHouse,
> > 1970)/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Hunter, Rev. David/ deputy general secretary, National Council of
> > Churches/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)] Seems to National Council of Churches was a
> target of KGB infiltration and agitprop.
>
> > Ifshin, David/ president, National Student Association; Coordinating
> > Committee, People's
> > Coalition for Peace and Justice chairman, Black Antiwar Antidraft Union;
> > Young Workers'/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Johnson, James A/ Liberation League; one of Fort Hood Three; accompanied
> > Rennie Davis and POWs; SDS/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kahin, George McT./ professor of government, Cornell University/1971 and
> > 1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > King, Alexis/ women's liberation movement; accompanied Eldridge

Cleaver/1970
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kirby, David/ student/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kirkpatrick, Kenneth/ American Friends Service Committee/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Koch, Jon Christopher/ accompanied Harold Supriano, Michael Myerson, and
> > Richard Ward; former radio
> > producer/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Koen, Rev. Charles/ minister; national chairman, Black United Front/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kolko, Gabriel/ historian/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kolko, Joyce/ economist/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kopkind, Andrew/ SDS; accompanied Robert Greenblatt and Susan Sontag;
> > editor, New Republic/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kraft, Joseph/ news correspondent/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Kramer, Robert/ SDS; accompanied Rennie Davis and POWs; founding member,
> > Newsreel/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Kransberg, Janet/NA/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Krause, Ruth/ accompanied Mary Clarke; Women Strike for Peace/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lawson, Phillip/ Methodist minister; Executive Committee, New

"Mobe"/1970
>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lecky, Robert/ accompanied Paul Mayer; editor, Clergy and Laity Concerne

d
> > About Vietnam; minister/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lens, Shirley/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lerner, Judy/ Women Strike for Peace/NA

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lester, Julius/ member, fourth investigating team, International War

Crimes
> > Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Levertov, Denise/ poet; accompanied Jane Hart/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lewis, Anthony/ reporter, New York Times/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Livingston, David/ president, District 65, Distributive Workers of
> > America/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lockwood, Lee/ news photographer/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Lynd, Staughton/ professor, Yale University; author, accompanied Tom

Hayden;
> > editor, Liberation/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Lynn, Conrad J./ accompanied Hugh Manes; associated with International

War
> > Crimes Tribunal; lawyer/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Manes, Hugh R./ lawyer; member, Third Commission of Inquiry,

International
> > War Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Massar, Ivan/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Mayer, Rev. Paul/ New York Theological Seminary; People's Coalition for
> > Peace and Justice/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > McCarthy, Mary/ accompanied Franz Schurmann; author, Vietnam (New York:
> > Harcourt, Brace, and World,
> > 1968)/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > McEldowney, CarolSDS; accompanied Rev. John Brown, Tom Hayden, and

Rennie
> > Davis/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > McReynolds, David/ director, War Resisters League; accompanied by a

Vietnam
> > veteran/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Meacham, Stewart/ accompanied Anne Weills and Vernon Grizzard; POW

escort;
> > education secretary, American Friends Service Committee; co-chairman,
> > "Mobe"; National Coalition Against War, Racism,and Repression;

Coordinating
> > Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice; Steering Committee,
> > 1969, National Antiwar Conference/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Meyers, William/ member, Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards
> > Vietnam; accompanied Richard
> > Barnet/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Miller-Coulter, Susan/ director, Episcopal Peace Fellowship; New
> > "Mobe";organizer, March Against
> > Death, September 1969/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Mugar, Carolyn/ accompanied Tom Hayden and Howard Zinn; Indochina Peace
> > Campaign/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Muste, A. J./ 82-year-old pacifist; Fellowship of Reconciliation;

chairman,
> > Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace
> > Parade Committee/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Myerson, Michael G./ international secretary, W.E.B. Du Bois Clubs;
> > accompanied John Christopher Koch,
> > Harold Supriano, and Richard Ward/1965

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Near, Holly/ actress; accompanied Jane Fonda/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Neilands, J. B./ professor, University of California; member, Third
> > Commission of Inquiry, International War
> > Crimes Tribunal/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Newman, Grace/ sister of Dennis Mora (one of Fort Hood Three); Fort Hood
> > Three Defense Committee/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Paley, Grace/ National Resist; Greenwich Village Peace Center; poet and
> > author; accompanied Rennie Davis/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Parker, A. (Zeus)/ college student body president/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Peck, Sidney/ professor, Case-Western Reserve University; co-chairman,

New
> > Mobilization Committee;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;
> > coordinator, "Mobe"; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> > National Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; Wisconsin State
> > Committee, U.S. Communist Party (while a student)/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Pfeiffer, Egbert W./ professor of zoology, University of Montana;
> > accompanied Mark Ptashne/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Plamondon, Genie/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Nancy Rubin/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Ptashne, Mark S./ professor of biochemistry, Harvard University/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Rappaport, Randy/ NA/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Reed, Charles/ secretary, American Friends Service Committee/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Reynolds, Earle L./ captain of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Romo, Barry/ accompanied Telford Taylor and Joan Baez; former U.S. Army
> > lieutenant; Vietnam Veterans Against the War/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Rothstein, Vivian/ accompanied Rev. John Brown, Rennie Davis, and Tom
> > Hayden; SDS/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Rubin, Nancy Kurshan/ accompanied Judith Gumbo and Genie Plamondon/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Rukeyser, Muriel/ poet; Greenwich Village Peace Center/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Russell, Margaret/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Salisbury, Harrison/ editor, New York Times; author, Behind the Lines:
> > Hanoi,December 23, 1966-January 7,
> > 1967 (New York: Harper and Row, 1967)/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Scheer, Robert/ editor, Ramparts; author, How theUnited States Got

Involved
> > in Vietnam (Santa
> > Barbara, CA: Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1965)/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schmidt, Phyllis/ accompanied Mary Clarke/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Schneider, Mr./ member, A Quaker Action Group/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schoenbrun, David/ reporter, CBS News; author/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Schoenman, Ralph/ secretary to Bertrand Russell; author, A Glimpse
> > ofAmerican Crimes in Vietnam
> > (London: Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, 1967)/1966

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Schurmann, Franz/ professor, University of California; author (with

Peter
> > Dale Scott and Reginald Zelnik),
> > The Politics of Escalation in Vietnam (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett

Publications,
> > 1968)/1968

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Seeger, Pete/ folksinger/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Seeger, Toshi/ accompanied husband, Pete Seeger/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Sontag, Susan/ author, Trip to Hanoi (New York: Farrar, Straus, and

Giroux,
> > 1969)/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Stavis, Morton/ accompanied Peter Weiss; Lawyer's Farrar, Straus, and
> > Giroux, 1969) Committee on
> > American Policy Towards Vietnam; Center for Constitutional Rights/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Stetler, Russ/ NA/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Storey, Rasheed/ chairman, Communist Party, New York/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Sumi, Hideko (Pat)/ leader, Movement for a Democratic Military/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Supriano, Harold E./ accompanied Jon Koch, Michael Myerson, and Richard
> > Ward/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Swerdlow, Amy/ accompanied Irma Zigas; Women Strike for Peace;

professor,
> > Sarah Lawrence College; author, Women Strike for Peace (Chicago:

University
> > of Chicago Press, 1993)/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Tabankin, Margene/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; president, National

Student
> > Association/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Taylor, Ethel/ accompanied Cora Weiss and Madeline Duckles/1969

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Taylor, Telford/ U.S. Army prosecutor, Nuremberg Trials; professor of

law,
> > Columbia University; author/1972

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Tyner, Jarvis/ vice presidential candidate, U.S.Communist Party;

national
> > chairman,Young Workers
> > Liberation League/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Wald, George/ Nobel laureate; professor, Harvard University/1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Ward, Richard E./ accompanied Harold Supnano and Michael Myerson;

freelance
> > writer/1965

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Wefers, Mark/ student/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Weills, Anne/ POW escort; member, National "Mobe"/1968

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Weiss, Cora/ Committee of Liaison; POW escort; Women Strike for Peace;
> > co-chairperson, National
> > Mobilization Committee; Steering Committee, National Antiwar Conference;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalitionfor Peace and Justice;

Jeannette
> > Rankin Brigade/1969 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Weiss, Peter/ Lawyer's Committee on American Policy Towards Vietnam/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Westover, Martha/NA/1970

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Williams, Robert/NA/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Williams, Mrs. R./ accompanied husband, Robert/1966

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Wilson, Dagmar/ accompanied Mary Clarke; president, Women Strike for

Peace;
> > vice chairperson, Spring
> > Mobilization Committee/1967

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Woodward, John/ professor/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Young, Ronald/ member, Fellowship of Reconciliation; coordinator,

People's
> > Coalition forPeace and Justice;
> > Washington Action Committee; Steering Committee, New "Mobe"; National
> > Coalition Against War, Racism, and Repression; accompanied Anne Bennett

and
> > Trudi Schutz Young/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Young, Trudi Schutz/ accompanied Ronald Young; nationalcoordinator,

Women
> > Strike for Peace;
> > Coordinating Committee, People's Coalition for Peace and Justice;

"Mobe";
> > organizer, 1969 March Against Death/1970

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Zietlow, Carl/ crewmember of ketch Phoenix/1967

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Zigas, Inna/ Women Strike for Peace/1971

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]
>
> > Zimmerman, William/ accompanied Rev. Paul Mayer; Medical Aid to
> > Indochina/1971

>
> [Insufficient Notoriety/Legitimate/No Comment]
>
> > Zinn, Howard/ professor, Boston University; POW escort; accompanied Tom
> > Hayden and others; author,Vietnam. The Logic of Withdrawal (Boston:

Beacon
> > Press, 1967)/1968 and 1972

>
> [Usual suspect(s)]




Kerry the Koward 01-29-2004 03:02 PM

Re: Which fighter jets did Kerry qualify on?
 

"Chas Hurst" <hurst1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:f6mdnZ4Cjtxk_4TdRVn_iw@comcast.com...
>
> "Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:r1mi105557cjjqcktgrra5f2jcr2tcde34@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:56:08 -0500, "Chas Hurst" <hurst1@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Charlie Wolf" <retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:2uei10lf6onbdbotvlirun1ms9lc6871ev@4ax.com.. .
> > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:39:59 -0500, "Chas Hurst" <hurst1@comcast.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >"BillyBop" <BillyB@AccessUSA.net> wrote in message
> > >> >news:Z19Sb.50137$U%5.268626@attbi_s03...
> > >> snipped...
> > >> >No, he became a drunk driver.
> > >> Sorta like Ted Kennedy, except he didn't murder the bimbo who was
> > >> riding with him...
> > >> Regards,
> > >
> > >So you agree. Was Kennedy arrested?

> > I agree that Kennedy should have been tried for manslaughter. But you
> > probably agree with the moron leftist lying piece of shit in these
> > NG's that keeps lying about Laura Bush being a murderer and GWB being
> > AWOL - don't ya Chas.
> > Regards,
> >

> Your insults do little to convince anyone of your intelligence and

actually
> bring discredit to the other Republicans posting here. My final comment to
> your bullshit is you don't know your ass from a warm rock.



Your remarks above make you sound like a stupid Democrat, Chas. In fact,
it sounds like Charlie Wolf has you pegged accurately, Chas.




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